TTS
http://www.jpcycles.com/product/402-656

 

To play the devil's advocate. The TTS requires a pc attached to record data, so you'd better plan on getting a Netbook.

Being able to save the original calibration is in my opinion of limited value, you can't look at it or manipulate in any way (so I am told).

 

"from what I see what Rooti is saying if you get the TTS Mastertune you have to go get your bike dynode to get the best performance. And then when you change/mod your engine or probably make any other change you have to get it Dyno. So this added cost is also part of the overall cost to me. Say I got a TTS for $250 and pay $300 for a dyno the cost comes out to about equivalent to getting the PVision."

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. TTS and PV both allow you to tune pretty well yourself and you may get a closer to ideal tune with TTS if you want to take that much time with it.

Regardless, a competent tuning pro with a dyno will generate the best tune. You can't come close with a PV. Perhaps closer with the TTS tool and time. The pro will want to use his preferred tools, however, and many like the TTS kit.

 

Well you can always load the original back in for diagnostic or warranty purposes.

I think all tuners require a PC if you want to make adjustments.

 

There are some good points here...that's why I try not to tell people what tuner to buy...just want people to make the best decision for them and their bike.

Powervision, TTS, SERTPRO, all have the capability to get you to the same great tune.
You have to decide if you want to fiddle with it yourself, if you are going to make future upgrades, ect. For me, I was happy with the performance of the stage one (pro pipe and big sucker) and just wanted the bike to run at it's best. Another deciding factor for me is I had one of the best dyno tuners around just 12 miles from my house. My tuner actually preferred the SERTPRO because that is what he has spent the most time with. (he he does the tunes for the local harley davidson dealerships) I dropped my bike off the night before and picked it up in the afternoon the next day and presto...my bike was dialed in...no fuss, no tinkering....reflashed and done for life.

To get the most out of your money, you have to have a solid plan and then work the plan so your not spending extra money doing things twice.

 

The TTS is a great tuner by all accounts. However I have a SEPST and to record data I only have to connect the VCI and set it into record mode. I can ride up to an hour collecting data to the cigarette pack sized VCI and upload it to my PC at home when I'm done. The TTS requires a PC to be connected during the data collection process as the data is recorded to the PC.

I'm still not convinced that being able to restore the original tune is that big a deal. Most seem to agree that any calibration included on the disc is an improvement over the factory tune. It would be nice to be able to see it but you can't.

Just my thoughts y'all.

 

after reading more of the post after I made my last post I realize I don't know schit lol. But I definitely have to make up my mind on what I want to do as far as more than just Stage 1...i.e cams.

From all of the posts it looks like the TTS Mastertune is a good option and is as good as the PVision. A guy who posts her Skips Speed shop says that the TTS is a good option so he must use them. He is pretty local to me.

I am trying to think this through. I hate to order something and find out I want something better and could have saved money by getting a better system. That is slip-ons is a no-no if I eventually want to get cams. I think I read where someone says if you get the TW-222 cams that you need to get the D&D 2-in-1 for best performance. So here we go again...getting the TW-222 will definitely be fun but I would have to have to buy new pipes to achieve best performance with the TW-222 cams.

Then my dilemma is do I want to eventually get cams? I am not exactly "chasing" the numbers but hey the '13 SB now come with 103 and mine is a '96er bike...so the cams will be a cheap upgrade for me IF I DO NOT NEED TO BUY ANOTHER EXHAUST.

As you all can see...sometimes I wrestle with simple mundane tasks. I just have to decide if I want the tw-222 or any other cam. But I was originally going to do the cams next winter and just do the stage 1 now. Originally was planning to PVision/VH BigShots/DK A/C (but can do Fuelmoto's Billet A/C with the PV and save a little money but I like the smallest A/C instead of the darn Rugby like A/C haha).

And then if I do the TTS I will need to buy a laptop. I work with computers all kinds but just do not have a laptop at home so that means I will have to get this...hey does this schit ever ends?

From a post above me...it is best to get a bike dynode after doing fuel mgmt. (PV or TTS). I thought Jamie would give you a map for your combo install and it would be equivalent to going to a dyno/tuner? Guess I was wrong about that. I figured a good tuner will charge $300...so all in all I think the PV will be best for me.

If I bought the TTS with someone else (as mentioned by Rooti I believe)...does that mean my TTS will be "married" to my bike only while the other pair will be to another bike? And the freaking cables I got to buy too lol.

I cannot make up my freaking mind but this heat is burning mu nuts in the summer time so I gotta make choices now.

 

I give you credit for thinking it through before you jump out and buy something. It does get a little overwelming sifting through the opinions and factual and not so factual information here. Everybody is different so I can't really tell you what to do but if it was me I wouldn't do cams with slip ons. Read sharkmans post and he will show you dyno numbers why it didn't work out for him and he ended getting a 2-1 because the cams wouldn't do what the were capable of doing without a decent header pipe. For me it was best to get what I wanted done, buy a quality tuner, and have it tuned and be done with it. Like I say, the major decision for me was that I had one of the best tuners so close to me. I knew I could get a map and figit with it...but in the end I just wanted to be done with it and ride. I ride every week so I don't like any down time.

You'll figure it out...keep asking questions

 

Hey Rooti,

a couple other questions. Do you know if the cams (as if I do it later on) work best with the 2-in-1 pipes? I mea we know that the 2-in-1 is always going to give more horse than the Big Shots for example. So it would be correct logic to think that the cams with the 2-in-1 will give better HP/TQ than with the Big Shots right? I do not think the Big Shots will degrade degrade significantly more than the 2-in-1 with the cams. My thinking is I do not have to do the cams...I think Sharkman mention the cams only gave him like 5 more HP with the 2-in-1 if I am remembering right. If so then I presume that the HP/TQ gain with the Big Shots and cams is very little like 1 or 2 hp. That is ok with me because the 5hp gain is not that awesome for me.

what I am saying is I do not know if the cams with the big shots will degrade a lot more because of the pipes and the degrade is not linear. (like I said maybe I am thinking too hard on this...)

Another thing...I have a handheld Galaxy and this can be charged in my car cig lighter or what every. Can this hand help Galaxy (running Android OS) be used to make adjustments just like a laptop with a TTS? I am not sure this is possible but just a thought because if this works then the TTS is a viable option for me. However I will have to locate a good turner like you said.

Screw it...I wanna ride lol

 

Oh another thing...I saw the Rolling Thunder coming to DC last year along I-66 and I noticed many of the bikes do not always have the best pipes on like V&H, D&D etc...many looks to have factory unless they had the straight shots. This got me thinking...this darn forum is overworking my brain haha in thinking I have to do this!

I do not think I mentioned this but another concern of mine is I do not want a loud bike on account of the pipes and have to get another set of pipes. I presume that D&D and all pipes for that matter can have baffles put in or have the capability to get baffles in right?