The 2-1 pipe will give you the best performance with cams or without, period. The cams are also a major expense if someone is doing them for you...I think sharkman said close to 2K.
Here is one example of 2-1 performance...I have a friend that has the same bike as me, same year, same motor, same A/C, he added cams and I didn't (not sure which cams, probably SE) and he is running the big shots. The same guy tuned both of our bikes and I am still puttin out like 1 more hp and 1 more pound of torque. He obviously has more money is his upgrade.

Having said that...some people just hate the look of the 2-1 and I kinda agree...the propipe was the first one I could stand and it has actually grown on me looks wise.
The V&H big shots are great pipes for a 2-2 and they tune good but they just will put out a little less hp. So if you like them just buy them.

The 2-1's and the big shots all come with a baffle installed...V&H also makes a quiet baffle but most here said it wasn't that much quieter. My pro pipe is actually quieter then my rush slip ons were. They are rather quite at idle but when you get on it they really wake up but doing 75 on the freeway in 6th gear they seem pretty quite. To my ears the 2-1's have a deeper tone to them but the big shots sound awesome too. (they are louder for sure)

If you have a set budget and don't mind posting it then I can give you some idea's.
Another thought...I ran XEID's for the first 6 months with stage one and the bike didn't run bad...it will cool it off for sure....they only run about 100 bucks in case you wanted to do stage one and save for a tuner.

 

Rooti,

I do not have a fix budget. I have about $800 saved up and will put on my CC and pay it off in 2 months or so. Primary reason to get the Stage 1 is to cool my bike down and get better performance. If I go over budget so be it...will pay it off. But I do like like buying something and then later say Schit...could have saved $200 by going for the PVision instead of the PCIII etc. Hate to pay for something twice.

If I was to do the cam upgrade will probably do it myself. I tend to do these things myself although I would need the service manual on hand to start so I can ask questions if I did not understand anything. BTW...the Service Manual is not always clear but sometimes doing it and reading it things become clear.

I know every bike is different and this is the same with cars too. Even though they are the same...they put out a little different horse and this is what it is...nothing we can do about it.

Since I've had this discussion I have pretty much decided to get the VH BigShots. Now...black or chrome? That I am undecided. I am going to go with the PVision or TTS but probably the PV since I don't need to buy a laptop. I am going with DK Custom low profile A/C. That pretty much does it. Will hold off on the cam until I ride it for a year and decide if I want to do the cams and if I do heck...will decide what to do with my pipes then and there lol.

Hey Rooti...I kind of like the classic HD look with its classic 2 pipes. The 2-in-1 popes make this look like I am trying to turn into a sport bike if you know what I mean. I just think the 2-in-1 balance/look better. Who knows I may go for the 2in1 at the last minute. Been flip-flopping on this for 4 months and now's the time to do it.

Looking at the FuelMoto website...PVision and Pro Billet together are $550. But if I bought the PV alone its $500 so they are charging me only $50 for the Pro Billet A/C. Which is in itself not too bad but I want to get rid of the football-look A/C on my bike. I am tall and my knees hit the A/C so low profile will work for me (yes I have the forwards). DK Custom A/C are close to $200 bucks so something to consider about.

 

See, now you have a great plan just by doing a little reading. You can buy the big shots at harleycycledirect.com for $550 with free delivery and get your PVision and pro bullit A/C from Jamie with a preloaded map so you will at least have a close map to begin with. So your into it for $1100. bucks and only have to pay off $300 bucks on the card.
I say just do it...I would go with the chrome big shots because the black looks kinda dingy after a few years and the chrome on the V&H is top notch. My nephew has some 07 big shots on his dyna and they still look brand new.
You will find with those upgrades the bike will really wake up and you may just want to leave it stock. You will keep the big shots no matter what you do in the future. They are very tunable and sound great.

 

Just my 2c on the choice between tuners...

It sometimes is not down to which is the best tuner if you aren't planning to do it yourself. If you are getting a shop to do the tune then it will generally be more important as to what they have the knowledge to use.

For instance, you could get a TTS and find the guy you plan on doing the tuning has never seen one before, they aren't that common.

Kinda an advantage of the PowerCommander. You don't have to understand the bike at all to tune with it. Doesn't even matter if the bike is a Harley or a Honda.

But if you are taking it somewhere that understands SEPST and TTS then I doubt you'd get a better tune with one or the other as they both do the exact same thing on a dyno.

If you are doing it yourself and if you are only going with SE hardware then I'd pick the SEPST as the canned maps are better. If you are going with non-SE hardware then the SEPST has a really limited map choice and with the TTS being easier to use you will probably be better off with that.

 

It's the number 1 tuner sold in the USA....we aren't talking about tuning a bike in England right now

 

Just curious in how you know TTS is the number 1 turner in the US?

I feel I cannot go wrong with both but will probably go with the Power Vision. I think I know of a pretty good turner here close to me and he says both are good turners. So I think I will be ok with that. I hope I do not have problems getting the PVision under the seat like others have said.

I did not know that the black VH Big Shots look shitty after a few years. Aren't the black ceramic coat durable on these pipes. This is probably going to lean me towards the chrome Big Shots.

Hey you know what. I like all colors of bikes and I like chrome. The contrast is what I like with how its set up now so I know I will like the chrome pipes. Besides the chrome pipes are ... luckily for me about $50 cheaper.

 

I know I should have my own post but wanted to know what is the difference in the quiet baffles from Fuelmoto and DK Custom? I think they are like $40 difference. Are they that much different?

 

Oh, so this is a USA-only site now? Since when?

And you need to back that up cos I really doubt its correct. If I was to guess I'd say its PowerCommander.

 

No its not just a US site...your the one that said they aren't that common...can you back that up?

The info I gave was off of their website...if you can prove it wrong you could sue them for false advertising.
http://www.mastertune.net/

They obviously aren't uncommon

And blueridge to answer one of your questions...the powervision is a reflash tuner...you don't hae to have anything attached to your bike when you are done with the tune...I think youare thinking about powercommander.

If you get the powervision, you won't go wrong, it's a great tuner.

 

Really? You are using a claim from their own website and you believe it? "#1..." is meaningless, there are any kinds of weasel words that could be used to justify claims like that.

I'll back my claim that TTS is not as common a tuner compared to SEPST and PC with a couple of polls:

http://www.****************/forums/t...o-you-use.html
(Whoops, this site won't let me post a link to V-Twin forums, but you can search for the poll there or with Google. The results are SEPST 23, PC 14, Deobeck 7, other 1).

.https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...94-a-poll.html

I'm not saying its a bad tuner, its about as good as it gets, but just based on the amount of discussion it gets its not as common as some others.

Oh, by the way, I lived in the US and so I'm not ignorant of Harleys there .

Now you prove TTS is the most popular tuner.