Best handlebars for lane splitting?
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From: South of Mordor
Noob, I was refering to the bars you are currently running when I suggested cutting them down narrower.
Last edited by blueangel73; Nov 8, 2013 at 01:21 PM.
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From: Detroit
I hate continuing to take this thread so far off track, but, dude...you are quoting outdated info from the 2009 handbook. The 2013 handbook was updated following the DOT safety studies (which concluded lane sharing IS safe if practiced in a prudent manner) and the CHP guidelines.
Here's a link to the new manual if you'd like to read what is current, and stop spouting inaccurate info to support your own opinion(s):
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl655/mcycle_htm/toc.htm
Here's a link to the CHP guidelines:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/programs/lanesplitguide.html
We get it...you're against it. Your opinions have been duly noted.
Here's a link to the new manual if you'd like to read what is current, and stop spouting inaccurate info to support your own opinion(s):
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl655/mcycle_htm/toc.htm
Here's a link to the CHP guidelines:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/programs/lanesplitguide.html
We get it...you're against it. Your opinions have been duly noted.
However, neither of your linked publication endorses, recommends, or advises the practice. They simply give recommendations on how to reduce the risk. Since it's not specifically illegal in California, what would you expect them to do? Continue to make a policy statement, at the risk of endless expensive lawsuits, since their policy statement didn't fit very well with the existing law?
I have not yet run across your "DOT safety studies (which concluded lane sharing IS safe if practiced in a prudent manner)", so would you be so kind as to provide a link? I have run across literature from various motorcycle advocacy groups, cherry picking information from various studies, trying to support their cause, but what I would be a lot more interested in is your DOT study in it's entirety.
Last edited by Warp Factor; Nov 8, 2013 at 02:29 PM.
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HHHhhhmmmm I just realized I have been splitting wrong according to the CHP, lets say your going to split lanes from Tracy to Oakland at 6 a.m. (580 is bumper to bumper at this time) The CHP recommends 30 mph, that would equal 1 hour of splitting traffic at 30-35 mph. I was always taught to split faster like at 80-90 mph, this way I am out of the danger zone of splitting much faster. I cant believe I have been doing this wrong for so long. I learn something new everyday, now I know why all those other guys on bikes would be pissed when I was riding their ***. I thought they were riding slow but turns out they are just following CHP guidelines.
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
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From: Cali
I have not yet run across your "DOT safety studies (which concluded lane sharing IS safe if practiced in a prudent manner)", so would you be so kind as to provide a link? I have run across literature from various motorcycle advocacy groups, cherry picking information from various studies, trying to support their cause, but what I would be a lot more interested in is your DOT study in it's entirety.
so far the only published in depth study has been in europe. where it was inconclusive.
http://www.maids-study.eu/
the british government has not concluded the evidence collection phase of their study.
the dot has conducted no such study. and only publishes data on fatal accidents. and the hurt report doesnt specifically cover or reference lane splitting.
Last edited by slozomby; Nov 8, 2013 at 05:24 PM.
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HHHhhhmmmm I just realized I have been splitting wrong according to the CHP, lets say your going to split lanes from Tracy to Oakland at 6 a.m. (580 is bumper to bumper at this time) The CHP recommends 30 mph, that would equal 1 hour of splitting traffic at 30-35 mph. I was always taught to split faster like at 80-90 mph, this way I am out of the danger zone of splitting much faster. I cant believe I have been doing this wrong for so long. I learn something new everyday, now I know why all those other guys on bikes would be pissed when I was riding their ***. I thought they were riding slow but turns out they are just following CHP guidelines.
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
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From: Detroit
how about you provide 1 study that proves it is more dangerous. oh thats right it doesnt exist.
so far the only published in depth study has been in europe. where it was inconclusive.
http://www.maids-study.eu/
the british government has not concluded the evidence collection phase of their study.
the dot has conducted no such study. and only publishes data on fatal accidents. and the hurt report doesnt specifically cover or reference lane splitting.
so far the only published in depth study has been in europe. where it was inconclusive.
http://www.maids-study.eu/
the british government has not concluded the evidence collection phase of their study.
the dot has conducted no such study. and only publishes data on fatal accidents. and the hurt report doesnt specifically cover or reference lane splitting.
Last edited by Warp Factor; Nov 8, 2013 at 05:44 PM.
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You are correct that the statement, "Lane sharing is not safe" is not in the current guidelines, and my previous information was outdated. Apologies for that.
However, neither of your linked publication endorses, recommends, or advises the practice. They simply give recommendations on how to reduce the risk. Since it's not specifically illegal in California, what would you expect them to do? Continue to make a policy statement, at the risk of endless expensive lawsuits, since their policy statement didn't fit very well with the existing law?
I have not yet run across your "DOT safety studies (which concluded lane sharing IS safe if practiced in a prudent manner)", so would you be so kind as to provide a link? I have run across literature from various motorcycle advocacy groups, cherry picking information from various studies, trying to support their cause, but what I would be a lot more interested in is your DOT study in it's entirety.
However, neither of your linked publication endorses, recommends, or advises the practice. They simply give recommendations on how to reduce the risk. Since it's not specifically illegal in California, what would you expect them to do? Continue to make a policy statement, at the risk of endless expensive lawsuits, since their policy statement didn't fit very well with the existing law?
I have not yet run across your "DOT safety studies (which concluded lane sharing IS safe if practiced in a prudent manner)", so would you be so kind as to provide a link? I have run across literature from various motorcycle advocacy groups, cherry picking information from various studies, trying to support their cause, but what I would be a lot more interested in is your DOT study in it's entirety.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/harle...tting-fun.html
As for studies, surveys, research, I learned most of what I know from www.lanesplittingislegal.com, Google, and 12 thousand miles (so far) of California riding. The MAIDS survey is a pretty good one because it was conducted in a country where "filtering" is legal, the UK.
If you want to discuss this further, hit me up in the other thread. I'm unsubscribing from this one even though I really want to hear how brandon makes out with his wheelie method.
HHHhhhmmmm I just realized I have been splitting wrong according to the CHP, lets say your going to split lanes from Tracy to Oakland at 6 a.m. (580 is bumper to bumper at this time) The CHP recommends 30 mph, that would equal 1 hour of splitting traffic at 30-35 mph. I was always taught to split faster like at 80-90 mph, this way I am out of the danger zone of splitting much faster. I cant believe I have been doing this wrong for so long. I learn something new everyday, now I know why all those other guys on bikes would be pissed when I was riding their ***. I thought they were riding slow but turns out they are just following CHP guidelines.
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
Maybe I will start following the guidelines, but if I wheelie the entire way it will more than likely put my bars and hands way above the car mirrors so I'm guessing splitting on one wheel will be safer for me. (KIDS DONT TRY THIS AT HOME I WILL REPORT BACK ON THE WHEELIE METHOD IN THE MORNING
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From: Detroit
I'm happy to debate this with you, but how about we do it in a thread that pertains to lane splitting and give the OP his back:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/harle...tting-fun.html
As for studies, surveys, research, I learned most of what I know from www.lanesplittingislegal.com, Google, and 12 thousand miles (so far) of California riding. The MAIDS survey is a pretty good one because it was conducted in a country where "filtering" is legal, the UK.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/harle...tting-fun.html
As for studies, surveys, research, I learned most of what I know from www.lanesplittingislegal.com, Google, and 12 thousand miles (so far) of California riding. The MAIDS survey is a pretty good one because it was conducted in a country where "filtering" is legal, the UK.
I may weigh in in the other thread, or I may not. I mostly hang out on a couple of topics, specific to the bikes I currently own, due to time constraints. Between you and I, we might be mostly battling about how to interpret statistics, and that could be an endless battle, without a short-term resolution.
On the experience and mileage front, should it mean anything, I've only got about 10 times your riding mileage in California, or something around 100,000 miles. Or maybe it's only 5 times as much. Didn't mean enough to me at the time to add up mileages from various bikes, and keep track. I rode to ride, and had no thoughts about impressing anyone with mileage attainments.