Fuel Moto vs. Fuelpak
Road Warrior
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From: Londonderry, NH
I can't imagine why you would need Xieds on top of either tuner. Not familiar with the FuelPack, but you can change the map on the FuelMoto tuner if necessary...so why would you need Xieds?
Road Master
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: columbus, ohio
I can absolutely speak from experience and say you don't need xieds with the fm tuner. The micro is $199 and you won't find a better unit for the money....especially when u figure in Jamie and crew helping u fine tune the thing. I had minimal decel pop with mine, one phone call later and it was all but gone. The bike ran pretty flawlessly With a/c and pipes. You really won't find a better deal than the micro from fm
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Tourer
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From: CT
So I was all set to get the Fuel Moto - BUT I found a great deal on ebay for a fuelpak - $150 shipped. I decided for that price, it will do what I need.
Hoping for the best - would be great to see a nice improvement when I get it put on this weekend.
Hoping for the best - would be great to see a nice improvement when I get it put on this weekend.
When I was looking for a tuner I went through the same issues. The Problem with FuelPak, and Fuel Moto, is you'll find that you'll still need xieds. After you get the combo it would bring you close to the cost of the PowerVision (I got my PV for $429) The little added cost will give you a much better range of tenability for your bike. Watch the Powervision videos on youtube and you'll see what the PV can do. I only have A/C and exhaust. No plans to do anything else. (But you never know) I'd really hate it if someday I decided to upgrade the engine and realized that I'd have to spend more money. The Fuel Moto plus the xieds will bring the cost to about $350. the PV is $429 about an $80 difference. But the options, versatility, and the thing the powervision can do vs. the fuel moto is well worth the $80 IMHO! Do your home work! You'll see what I'm talking about!
Road Captain
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From: Denver
I had a FuelPak on my Stage 1 Sporster. It "ran good" but I decided to put it on the dyno with a wideband. There was a huge dip in the midrange going as lean as 16:1 with the settings given to me by Vance & Hines. I'm sorry but until you know your A/F you can't say your bike runs fine or runs well. Problem with the FuelPak is you can't make adjustments on the fly because nobody knows exactly what each setting does (although I did figure a few out after numerous telephone conversations).
Given the choice I'd run the FuelMoto over the Vance & Hines but there's no substitution for a dyno tune. The plus side of the FuelMoto tuner is it uses PowerCommander V maps so you can tune it on the fly with a dyno, unlike the FuelPak. It also has the ability to adjust more cells (250rpm increments). The V&H FuelPak, near as I can tell, has low rpm, mid rpm, high rpm and three TPS ranges, no throttle, part throttle and WOT.
Given the choice I'd run the FuelMoto over the Vance & Hines but there's no substitution for a dyno tune. The plus side of the FuelMoto tuner is it uses PowerCommander V maps so you can tune it on the fly with a dyno, unlike the FuelPak. It also has the ability to adjust more cells (250rpm increments). The V&H FuelPak, near as I can tell, has low rpm, mid rpm, high rpm and three TPS ranges, no throttle, part throttle and WOT.
Road Captain
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From: Denver
You can be the guy doing the tuning depending on where you go. But getting the A/F correct is not that difficult. That's what we're shooting for.
Dyno > any other form of testing method. A wideband and datalogger is the next best provided you can find somewhere to do good pulls but a dyno is safer. It's fine to modify your bike and choose to the "ignorance is bliss/seat of the pants/bike seems to run good so it must be right" tuning method, it's another to be deluded enough to think that's superior to dyno tuning.
Dyno > any other form of testing method. A wideband and datalogger is the next best provided you can find somewhere to do good pulls but a dyno is safer. It's fine to modify your bike and choose to the "ignorance is bliss/seat of the pants/bike seems to run good so it must be right" tuning method, it's another to be deluded enough to think that's superior to dyno tuning.
Last edited by jdub099; Nov 19, 2013 at 05:36 PM.
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Road Master
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From: Indiana
[Dyno > any other form of testing method. A wideband and datalogger is the next best provided you can find somewhere to do good pulls but a dyno is safer. It's fine to modify your bike and choose to the "ignorance is bliss/seat of the pants/bike seems to run good so it must be right" tuning method, it's another to be deluded enough to think that's superior to dyno tuning.[/quote]
I really don,t care if you have your bike Dyno or not .
In the end it is what it is a Harley and will only get you from point A to Point B .
I really don,t care if you have your bike Dyno or not .
In the end it is what it is a Harley and will only get you from point A to Point B .
If you got to a shop that primarily uses tts to tune bikes you can almost count in the fact they know what they are doin. There is way more to worry about af ratio with a tts module. You can can micro manage every aspect of your fuel injection. The other tuners do not provide the same management. Tts module is one of the hardest to learn because of its complexity. So if you got to a shop that knows what's up they will sell tts and tune it right.