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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 10:57 AM
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I bought this bike a few years ago from an overflow dealer. He told me it had a big bore kit, some type of aftermarket cam and an aftermarket carb with a Thunderjet kit (turns out it is just a Mikuni 42HSR that was badly tuned). I installed a Fueling oil pump a couple years ago and found an Andrews 37B cam, based on the cam size I assumed it had the SE 9.5:1 big bore kit. Well, I tore it down last night to install a set of 06 heads that I picked up and discovered the pop-up piston. From what I can tell it is the SE 10.25:1 kit, but cant find a good picture of one and there are no numbers on top of the piston itself. If anybody recognizes the piston design please chime in. It also had .045 graphite head gaskets (I hate those fvcking things). That should have put the compression right at 10:1. After pulling the heads off it looks they have been ported, but cant find a good picture of a stock port (haven't had time to cleanup/inspect the exhaust side yet). Can anyone confirm port work ? I have wanted to install a bigger cam but have held off because I thought the C/R was lower than what it was. I think the C/R is too much for the 37B cam. I plan on using a .030 gasket so that should bring the C/R up around 10.33:1. So, without all that info, could I run an S&S 570, SE 258 or maybe a Fueling 574 Reaper cam with the new C/R ? I would appreciate any info/advice you have. Thanks

















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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 01:07 PM
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The chambers could be more than an 85cc OE.
At 10.25 that 37 would ping/spark knock.
A quick ccp test might be the way before you spend any money.
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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 02:10 PM
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It's possible that those are 10:1 pistons. The dome size is similar to my wiseco 10:1 with a 6.5 cc dome. I see that you have the head torqued down, what base gasket thickness do you have and what is the piston to deck clearance? Also you definitely are gonna need to cc the heads. I would not pick a cam until you know what static compression you have so that you can pick the right cam or talk to someone who can recommend a cam and yes it does look as if some one did the heads. attach pic's of the combustion chamber and maybe some one will be able to clarify valve sizes...
 
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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com
The chambers could be more than an 85cc OE. At 10.25 that 37 would ping/spark knock. A quick ccp test might be the way before you spend any money.Scott
Good advice as well as 98hotrodfatboy; cc the heads. Hard to tell what the piston is from the photo but heads do not look ported to me. You need a known baseline on what you actually have to work with before moving forward.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 03:05 PM
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Those are not se 10.25s. You might want to pull the jugs and pistons for a better shot at identifying them. A ccp test before disassembly would have been a good idea to see where you're at, but you can have the heads and pistons cc'd. The heads look like they've been cleaned up, but doesn't look like any material has been removed. Could you measure the valves or get a good pic of the combustion chamber?

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The chambers could be more than an 85cc OE.
At 10.25 that 37 would ping/spark knock.
A quick ccp test might be the way before you spend any money.
Scott
Really?? That's not even 200ccp, I wouldn't hesitate to run that in a 95" softail with an ignition.
 
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Last time I checked ccp it was right at 189 psi. Curiosity got he best of me, I went ahead and took the pistons out. They are SE-22863/22862 made by Arias, part 9826HI. The 06 heads cc'd right at 85.5. I'm not sure what the old heads were, but I'm starting to think they are stock. I have a DTT programmable ignition system on there now. Thanks everyone for the replies.
 

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It didnt have base gaskets, just the O-rings on the jugs.
 
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The heads look like they've been cleaned up, but doesn't look like any material has been removed. Could you measure the valves or get a good pic of the combustion chamber?


The valves are stock, at least size wise. I can get a pic of the comb chamber but it's gonna take me a while to cleanup.
 
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Last time I checked ccp it was right at 189 psi. Curiosity got he best of me, I went ahead and took the pistons out. They are SE-22863/22862 made by Arias, part 9826HI. The 06 heads cc'd right at 85.5. I'm not sure what the old heads were, but I'm starting to think they are stock. I have a DTT programmable ignition system on there now. Thanks everyone for the replies.
That piston PN is obsolete and no longer available or made by Arias. IIRC, Arias replaced that piston and the new HD PN is 22868-00A and available in .010" and .020" O/S IIRC but not sure. That piston is for 3.875" bore and I am pretty sure it is forged and the dome volume is 8cc but you can verify dome volume to be sure. If dome volume is 8cc, I would check deck height which appears to be close to 0.00" and if close, install the '06 heads with a .040" MLS head gasket, and replace the 37 cams with something like the S&S 570. The '06 heads actually flow decent but will flatten out at .500" lift so the benefit from more lift will be marginal; TMan's 525 would be a good fit. Of course there are other cams out there to be looked at for sure; JMHO but I think the Fueling 574 is a step backwards and the SE258 would be two steps backward.
 

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I saw somewhere that a guy cc'd the 10.25:1 SE pistons at 8cc, Harley advertised 11cc. Apparently they forgot to factor in the valve reliefs
 
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