Leave the heads alone? Or no?
Tourer
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From: Kamloops BC
I'm running the stock oil pump on mine, MVA heads, 10.5 pistons, Tman 625 cams, 58 tb etc etc, and it's been no issues. My summer temps are about 43*c, or about 109*F, and peachy keen.
Think a proper oil cooler should be a bigger want/need than pump (not sure if the new bike comes with it stock, I'm reasonably certain it does.)
Year 4 on my build coming up, 23,000 on it to date..
But yes, if you can swing the cost on headwork, by all means do it. It's the final piece of the puzzle, and well worth it!
Think a proper oil cooler should be a bigger want/need than pump (not sure if the new bike comes with it stock, I'm reasonably certain it does.)
Year 4 on my build coming up, 23,000 on it to date..
But yes, if you can swing the cost on headwork, by all means do it. It's the final piece of the puzzle, and well worth it!
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From: Texas
Oil cooler, huh?
I'm running the stock oil pump on mine, MVA heads, 10.5 pistons, Tman 625 cams, 58 tb etc etc, and it's been no issues. My summer temps are about 43*c, or about 109*F, and peachy keen.
Think a proper oil cooler should be a bigger want/need than pump (not sure if the new bike comes with it stock, I'm reasonably certain it does.)
Year 4 on my build coming up, 23,000 on it to date..
But yes, if you can swing the cost on headwork, by all means do it. It's the final piece of the puzzle, and well worth it!
Think a proper oil cooler should be a bigger want/need than pump (not sure if the new bike comes with it stock, I'm reasonably certain it does.)
Year 4 on my build coming up, 23,000 on it to date..
But yes, if you can swing the cost on headwork, by all means do it. It's the final piece of the puzzle, and well worth it!
Have had the bike less than a year and have over 12,000 miles on her. I want to ride even more. I will look into upgrading here. But you bring up a really good point. Maybe a cooler would be better. More research, and I need to talk to my tech again!
Thx!
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From: san antonio
Oil cooler is a good idea. However, after getting that 117"er stuck in traffic for more than about 15-20 minutes the convection cooling affect is not going to keep the oil cool and she is going to heat up fast and it will take 30 minutes of 70mph cruising to cool her down again. In that situation, fans are the solution. Check out Wards fans; they work, ask anyone running them. I live and ride in south Texas; very familiar with the summer heat.
http://www.wardspartswerks.com/cooling-fans.html
http://www.wardspartswerks.com/cooling-fans.html
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From: NE Ohio
Compared to what's prowling the streets these days, it's mild. All you need is a good tune and a good oil cooler. But if you have the money burning a hole in your pocket and you feel better with it, get the pump. IMO, very little of the HD parts impress me, there are a lot better alternatives out there.
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From: Florida
Oil cooler is a good idea. However, after getting that 117"er stuck in traffic for more than about 15-20 minutes the convection cooling affect is not going to keep the oil cool and she is going to heat up fast and it will take 30 minutes of 70mph cruising to cool her down again. In that situation, fans are the solution. Check out Wards fans; they work, ask anyone running them. I live and ride in south Texas; very familiar with the summer heat.
http://www.wardspartswerks.com/cooling-fans.html
http://www.wardspartswerks.com/cooling-fans.html
Cruiser
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From: North of Denver
The S&S TC3 or the Feuling cam plates and pumps would be my first choices but you'd have to see if the dealer will install them to maintain the warrantee.
The stock oil pump is/was a known problem area in previous years prone to failure and at best only putting out 6psi (warm @ idle). The idea of upgrading the pump is more for reliability than for cooling. Of course if you later couple that with a larger volume oil pan with cooling fins then all the better.
The stock oil pump is/was a known problem area in previous years prone to failure and at best only putting out 6psi (warm @ idle). The idea of upgrading the pump is more for reliability than for cooling. Of course if you later couple that with a larger volume oil pan with cooling fins then all the better.
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From: san antonio
The S&S TC3 or the Feuling cam plates and pumps would be my first choices but you'd have to see if the dealer will install them to maintain the warrantee.
The stock oil pump is/was a known problem area in previous years prone to failure and at best only putting out 6psi (warm @ idle). The idea of upgrading the pump is more for reliability than for cooling. Of course if you later couple that with a larger volume oil pan with cooling fins then all the better.
The stock oil pump is/was a known problem area in previous years prone to failure and at best only putting out 6psi (warm @ idle). The idea of upgrading the pump is more for reliability than for cooling. Of course if you later couple that with a larger volume oil pan with cooling fins then all the better.
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From: North of Denver
Granted the pump was not often the original source of failure. The OEM oil pumps were prone to failure because of sloppy crank runout and also because of debris either from general abuse or of course anytime you have something like a lifter implode or bearing come apart it was compounded by congesting the pump. The newer designs have better filtration and isolation/ redundancy in addition to better pressure and volume.
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From: san antonio
Granted the pump was not often the original source of failure. The OEM oil pumps were prone to failure because of sloppy crank runout and also because of debris either from general abuse or of course anytime you have something like a lifter implode or bearing come apart it was compounded by congesting the pump. The newer designs have better filtration and isolation/ redundancy in addition to better pressure and volume.
Cruiser
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From: North of Denver
So how is it that S&S claims to have an oil pump that can tolerate greater shaft runout, has a pre-filter screen and magnetic collector...if they're all prone to the same 'weakness'?
http://www.sscycle.com/go-fast-showc...and-cam-plate/
I'd like to think that I didn't just waste my money on a blue cam plate that just includes the torque sequence embossed on it.
- Three separate sets of gerotors for consistent pressure and reliable scavenging
- Separate scavenge sections for flywheel cavity and cam chest no interference
- Screens and magnetic traps help protect the scavenge rotors from debris
- Special design allows S&S pumps to tolerate more pinion shaft run out without damage
- Made In The USA
http://www.sscycle.com/go-fast-showc...and-cam-plate/
I'd like to think that I didn't just waste my money on a blue cam plate that just includes the torque sequence embossed on it.