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03 Dyna - S&S 98" Build - wont start - help!

Old Sep 18, 2016 | 01:55 PM
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Default 03 Dyna - S&S 98" Build - wont start - help!

As the title says I have an 03 Dyna that I replaced the stock 88 cylinders and heads with
  • S&S 98" Cylinders
  • S&S 79cc heads
  • S&S 583 Compression Release cams
  • Screamin Eagle Cam Plate/Oil Pump
  • S&S Quickee Pushrods
  • Dynatec 88 Coil/Ignition Module
  • S&S Super e Carb
  • Timken Bearing Upgrade
  • Harley Tachometer Kit
  • Screamin Eagle 2 into 2 exhaust

She's all back together and although the engine turns over fine by hand/starter, it won't start. After cranking several times there is a backfire. My initial thinking is to go back and readjust the pushrods? I noted that the S&S video on YouTube shows 20 flats while the instructions call for 24 flats?

Also, as there is a vacuum connect for the Harley carb from the fuel valve to the carb. I chose the vacuum port on the super e that is closest to the intake. There is another on the manifold. Any difference between the two? I can smell fuel in the carb but not as strong as I would expect? Also, when I roll the throttle I don't see a spray of gas from the accelerator? The line is a straight shot from the tank valve to the carb. Running between the cylinders as did the stock carb.

I also put the stock Harley ignition /coil back just to eliminate some of the possibilities. Made no difference, still wont start.

Any help appreciated!
 

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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 03:06 PM
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Are you getting spark at the plugs?
 
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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I have to double check after I get the pushrods back in. If I don't have spark what should I check? Crank position sensor?

Thank you!
 
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mmesa005
I have to double check after I get the pushrods back in. If I don't have spark what should I check? Crank position sensor?

Thank you!
That and the wiring, make sure everything is hooked up properly and you're getting power.
 
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Will do, thanks again!
 
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 09:22 PM
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I checked the plugs, wires, coil. I have spark at the plug when cranking the motor. I confirmed I have fuel in the carb and flowing out the accelerator pump when cycling the throttle. I did readjust the pushrods and have the same results, after a couple of seconds of the starter I get a backfire.

I pulled the valve cover boxes and checked for valve opening / closing. Looks good there. I am going to pull the cams and check them next.

In the past when I changed cams/pushrods I was able to move the rear wheel by myself with the bike in 5th gear. After the new cylinders/heads I can move it part way with one hand but need both hands to complete the cycle. I gapped the rings per S&S instructions with the 2nd ring having more gap than the top as per instructions. Top rings are 0.018, 2nd rings .024, oil rings untouched. All spaced per instructions.

As this is a new build is it normal?
 
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Pulled the cams, they look good. Timed correctly, dots on the front line up as did the front chain Cam/Crankshaft sprocket alignment marks.

Not certain where to go next?
 
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Compression & fuel pressure tests should have been done before tearing into the thing.
 
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Sure you have the correct spark plug wire, going to the correct cylinder?
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Sure you have the correct spark plug wire, going to the correct cylinder?
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My thoughts exactly... Swap them at the coil...
 
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