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No way they use there specialty gaskets and will charge you out the *** for them when you need one. Permatex has its own special use never had much success using it to make or replace a gasket its a great sealer for different projects.
They use the black on the inner-primary at the rear three bolts on some models, depending on the year.
(2002 Road King, and I know this cause we just did my brothers.)
It's not black silicone it is between the two inner plate covers above the front drive pulley directly to the rear of the cylinder head. It appears to be hard like Permatex and not grease.
It's not black silicone it is between the two inner plate covers above the front drive pulley directly to the rear of the cylinder head. It appears to be hard like Permatex and not grease.
It's not black silicone it is between the two inner plate covers above the front drive pulley directly to the rear of the cylinder head. It appears to be hard like Permatex and not grease.
HD does use a sealant between the case halves but the sealant is a material like Three Bond or Yamabond, not Permatex; however, I can't tell from the picture if that is the location you are referring to. Please post a better picture with better light and an arrow pointing to the location. Of course, it could be Permatex used by a previous owner but not by HD.
Apologies for the troll reference but the question was a curious one.
Permatex is a brand name, not a sealer. They make dozens, maybe hundreds, of products.
There is a sealer used between the case halves and probably in other areas of the engine as well. It's probably a type of RTV but I'd need to actually check the manual for a spec to say for sure.
Between 2 machined surfaces, like your cases, it's actually a better and more precise way to seal it than using a gasket.
The sealant HD uses is not an RTV sealant but is a sealant like Yamabond or Threebond; it might even be one of those. RTV sealant will take a hard set (exposed to oxygen) in less than 20 minutes but Yamabond/Threebond will take about 40 minutes to take a hard set. Applying sealant to prep cases for assembly is a tedious process; takes time to lay down a continuous bead, work around the case holes, avoiding letting sealant land in undesirable places, etc. 40 minutes allows the time to apply the sealant correctly and correct any errors without getting in a rush.
The sealant HD uses is not an RTV sealant but is a sealant like Yamabond or Threebond; it might even be one of those. RTV sealant will take a hard set (exposed to oxygen) in less than 20 minutes but Yamabond/Threebond will take about 40 minutes to take a hard set. Applying sealant to prep cases for assembly is a tedious process; takes time to lay down a continuous bead, work around the case holes, avoiding letting sealant land in undesirable places, etc. 40 minutes allows the time to apply the sealant correctly and correct any errors without getting in a rush.
From the HD website:
High-performance, room temperature vulcanized (RTV) silicone type liquid gasket is a low-odor, non-corrosive and non-conductive sensor-safe formula.
Sealant allows high elongation when cured to absorb thermal and dynamic movement of the mating surfaces
Resistant to most chemicals and solvents
Temperature Range: 76°F to 482°F (-60°C to 250°C)
Approved for use as crankcase sealant on all Harley-DavidsonŽ powertrains
Gray
1.9 oz (54 g) tube
RTV is a pretty generic term. There are lots of sealers with different cure times and heat/chemical resistance that can fall into this category. As a 25+ year Ford tech, I have at least 3 different ones in my cabinet at any given times. All classified as RTV, all for different applications.
Last edited by LazySundays; Apr 8, 2019 at 03:34 PM.
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