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Old Apr 20, 2020 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Camarosx2
It’s much easier to do the inner shoe with the cam plate removed and hopefully he’s replacing the cam bearings while he’s in there
Originally Posted by Roadflyer
As far as I know, you have to remove the cams to change the tensioners. Am I missing something?
Originally Posted by FUJILICIOUS
What others have said. Cutting the oem pushrods and replacing with adjustables is the common practice and one way to do the work you required.
"Easier" is not the right word! It's impossible to change the inner shoe without removing the cam plate. Which means the cams come out.

I agree with Fuji, most owners or mechanics cut the PR's and replace with adjustable. When I did my conversion to SE hyd tensioners I opted for more labor (mine!) and kept the OEM pushrods.

Here's my thread on the subject: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/engin...1-cam-kit.html
 
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Old Apr 20, 2020 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by glasspilot
"Easier" is not the right word! It's impossible to change the inner shoe without removing the cam plate.
The correct answer. There is a great series of YouTube videos of a ******** that wanted to prove to the world that the inner tensioner (early model) could be removed without removing the cam plate and cams. I think there are three videos, each ending in failure after trying a variety of methods, tools, etc.; the guy never got them off.

With the right tool, the inner can be changed without removing cams but the plate still has to come off.

Not sure why the mechanic cut the push rods though unless installing cams with different base circle. He had to remove the cam plate to change the inner tensioner and the push rods and lifters had to be out (or held up with magnets) to remove the cam plate, so the mystery remains.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2020 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
The correct answer. There is a great series of YouTube videos of a ******** that wanted to prove to the world that the inner tensioner (early model) could be removed without removing the cam plate and cams. I think there are three videos, each ending in failure after trying a variety of methods, tools, etc.; the guy never got them off.

With the right tool, the inner can be changed without removing cams but the plate still has to come off.

Not sure why the mechanic cut the push rods though unless installing cams with different base circle. He had to remove the cam plate to change the inner tensioner and the push rods and lifters had to be out (or held up with magnets) to remove the cam plate, so the mystery remains.

Not sure how you can get the tensioner out from behind the cam plate. There isn't enough room to slide the tensioner through. Are you sure that you are not thinking about guys removing tensioners without removing the cams from the cam-plate? The are videos where it's been done successfully. Some guy made a tool to unload the spring so it could be slid off. IIRC some was selling a tool to perform the task. Still it ain't that hard to replace the bearings and it's probably a good idea.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 06:26 AM
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Inner cam bearing upgrade is always recommended when in that area.
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
Not sure how you can get the tensioner out from behind the cam plate. There isn't enough room to slide the tensioner through. Are you sure that you are not thinking about guys removing tensioners without removing the cams from the cam-plate? The are videos where it's been done successfully. Some guy made a tool to unload the spring so it could be slid off. IIRC some was selling a tool to perform the task. Still it ain't that hard to replace the bearings and it's probably a good idea.
Max, read my quoted post again. I clearly stated that the inner could be changed without removing the cams but the plate has to come off. I have one of the tools you make reference to; a gift for a favor for another forum member and it is very slick but to expensive for a DIY guy.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
Max, read my quoted post again. I clearly stated that the inner could be changed without removing the cams but the plate has to come off. I have one of the tools you make reference to; a gift for a favor for another forum member and it is very slick but to expensive for a DIY guy.

You missed what I was discussing. I understand what you said. It's the:
" There is a great series of YouTube videos of a ******** that wanted to prove to the world that the inner tensioner (early model) could be removed without removing the cam plate and cams. "

I don't believe there is anyone retying to replace the inner tensors without removing plate. If you have a videos showing this I'd be interested.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2020 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
You missed what I was discussing. I understand what you said. It's the:
" There is a great series of YouTube videos of a ******** that wanted to prove to the world that the inner tensioner (early model) could be removed without removing the cam plate and cams. "

I don't believe there is anyone retying to replace the inner tensors without removing plate. If you have a videos showing this I'd be interested.
My bad, you are right. The guy in the video did remove the cam plate; no idea why I posted "without removing the cam plate". Had I re-read that part of my post, I would have edited it as I was clear that the plate has to come off to remove the inner.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2020 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by djl
My bad, you are right. The guy in the video did remove the cam plate; no idea why I posted "without removing the cam plate". Had I re-read that part of my post, I would have edited it as I was clear that the plate has to come off to remove the inner.
I also am guilty of making similar mistakes. Just pointing it out yours. I hope that others will point out mine.
 
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
I also am guilty of making similar mistakes. Just pointing it out yours. I hope that others will point out mine.
No worries. That was my first mistake for 2020; I didn't make any last year.
 
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