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Just got stung by the INA Cam bearing syndrome.
Its on a 1996 Fatboy. Had the bike for 8 years bought it with 11487km. Now has 60,000 km (37,000 mi ). In to the dealer shop for repair. Traditional have to split the casing to check for metal fragments. Dealer phones to say crank pin is on its way out. Has tight spot on rotation that will gradually get worse. Total cost to repair is about $4,500. Includes new S3 cam, b138 bearing, rings etc. With the crank pin problem its more. Much more. So decided on a new engine. Engine is $4800 Canadian. Install plus accessory parts makes it about $7,000 Canadian. The rebuild program is not in effect in Canada anymore. Besides the freight and rebuild is as much as a new engine. I am told the "NEW " engine is a 1999 1340 EVO. The dealer assures me it will have the INA bearing in it as well. I am going to get the dealer to change the stock cam out and the bearing. Install the S3 cam and B138 bearing. My question is: The PLASTIC oil breather gear. Is it wise to switch it as well and go with the metal gear?
Its on a 1996 Fatboy. Had the bike for 8 years bought it with 11487km. Now has 60,000 km (37,000 mi ). In to the dealer shop for repair. Traditional have to split the casing to check for metal fragments. Dealer phones to say crank pin is on its way out. Has tight spot on rotation that will gradually get worse. Total cost to repair is about $4,500. Includes new S3 cam, b138 bearing, rings etc. With the crank pin problem its more. Much more. So decided on a new engine. Engine is $4800 Canadian. Install plus accessory parts makes it about $7,000 Canadian. The rebuild program is not in effect in Canada anymore. Besides the freight and rebuild is as much as a new engine. I am told the "NEW " engine is a 1999 1340 EVO. The dealer assures me it will have the INA bearing in it as well. I am going to get the dealer to change the stock cam out and the bearing. Install the S3 cam and B138 bearing. My question is: The PLASTIC oil breather gear. Is it wise to switch it as well and go with the metal gear?
Bearing bore can be attended to, S&S breather gear, Crane 300 cam, bore/valve job assemble for quite a bit less than that.
Scott
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From: deland,florida
I know if it was here,ide`d be finding out why its got a tight spot.either the lower end is wacked (easy enough to check with a indicator on the pinion shaft) or the races are set way too tight for the rod bearings,niether problem will correct itself
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The crank pin/connecting rod tightness thing, which the service rep had me experience while the flywheels were on the bench, I figure, came from the tech who was assigned to work on the engine. Now then, somewhere along the way their has to be an element of trust in this scenario. I am not trusting the dealership at all. I do however have to trust the mechanic and his experience. He's got more grey hairs than I do so I figure his opinion is sage.
Your opinion is also acknowledged and if I lived in New York you bet I would be at your doorstep in a heartbeat. Your web page says to me your a good bet . We don't have that type of shop here to my knowledge. We have guys working out of their garages. There are a few Indys here but I just had one do my tranny seals. He had the primary cases off 3 times before he stopped all the leaks and it still has one leak. So, with this problem I gotta go with the Harley tech. Yeah its gonna hurt $$$$$. But I need reliability if I keep this bike. Thanks for jumpin in on this one. Wish your shop was in B.C
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ide still find a independent shop,taking a bike to a HD dealer for engine work isn't a good idea IMO (especially a EVO or older) there is shipping too.same as scott im sure,we get engines shipped in from all over the country (Canada too)
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Or (and I know itś all about money) you could look at a brand new S&S motor, bigger, better, more resale value. If you decide to keep the bike you would not be disappointed. It´s a shame you can swap it out yourself that would save heaps, and not hat hard. If you could afford it you could even go for a pan or Knuckle motor.
Just a thought.....
Just a thought.....
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new evo engine
I am 6 hours from vancouver
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From: Oakdale Ca.
I had an old bagger 1 threw a 127ci el bruto 3200$ free shipping from midwest . prob cheaper to have hillside or Kirby do a make over on your motor. It will run better, better gas milage and you wont be breakin belts clutches starters ect.... direct message them they will set you straight.
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I fried-and fragmented an INA inner bearing at around 20K. At that time, Harley was in the "return your EVO to us for reman" mode and I had a choice to make. I believe the trip to Milwaukee and back was at a cost of very close to $3,000...maybe like $2,700...don't remember. I have a very good mechanic at the local HD shop and we decided it had to either come all to pieces for a complete inspection and rebuild, or send in home. I let him build it and the cost was right at $2,200 as I recall. I went ahead and added some Screamin' Eagle heads at about $800 and a cam while they had it gutted. You have to trust the guy doing the wrenching and most of the dealerships I've been in, I would not trust. I sold that bike to a friend later on and that motor now has close to 70K on it still going strong. I ride with him weekly.
On the flip-side. I just acquired an EVO machine with 75K on the odometer and remembering that $3,000 INA bearing failure I had.....the bike went straight to my garage to replace it. NO CHANCES WIL I TAKE again. That old INA looked factory fresh after I pulled it. But I still don't like the idea of having a plastic cage in a bearing that is that important and a bit hard to get to.
I've never had an issue (or worked on a bike that did) with the plastic breather. Then again....I never had a problem with an INA bearing that blew up...until that fateful day that it did either.
On the flip-side. I just acquired an EVO machine with 75K on the odometer and remembering that $3,000 INA bearing failure I had.....the bike went straight to my garage to replace it. NO CHANCES WIL I TAKE again. That old INA looked factory fresh after I pulled it. But I still don't like the idea of having a plastic cage in a bearing that is that important and a bit hard to get to.
I've never had an issue (or worked on a bike that did) with the plastic breather. Then again....I never had a problem with an INA bearing that blew up...until that fateful day that it did either.