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Old Dec 25, 2020 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kloun
Hey, I was just siftin' through this thread. That's a cool build you're doing. I didn't read all the posts but I was wondering if you tossed out the cracked cases or if they'd be available for sale. I have half an EVO case (primary side not cam side), so I'd be interested in purchasing at least the non cam side if you still have it. I can do paypal too. Sorry to bug if they're already gone.
PM replied. Sorry bud, they're in a San Diego county landfill somewhere by now.
 
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imgur. works really well. Very simple.
I was shown early on that I can just upload right to the thread using HD Forums uploading service. No 3rd party needed, but thank you for your suggestion.

Back in the day forums didn't do this, now apparently they do.
 
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Had a REALLY good chat with Ron at Axtell yesterday. Long story short, oil pump issues. I'm not sure if you're familiar with how the Evo distributes oil but he's had this issue with hot Evo engines that use the S&S HVHP oil pump. I'm not the first Axtell cylindered Evo with that HVHP oil pump who's smoked pistons. He went back and forth with S&S back when that oil pump came out and finally got out of S&S that the HVHP pump is designed for their Special Application cases that come with piston oil jets under the pistons to keep them lubed and cooled. The standard Evo case (which I have even though it's S&S as well) does NOT come with piston oilers, therefore (in conjunction with the larger scavenge side of the HVHP pump) the use of the HVHP pump is basically starving my bottom end for oil causing the overheating pistons and scuffing. He said there's a way to machine the HVHP pump to make it more like the OEM pump so I'm gonna do some comparing between the two (I have both right now) and see if that's something I wanna tackle.

Oh, to the person who asked me of the cylinder composition, 40,000 psi ductile cast iron from a foundry somewhere local to him in Iowa.
 
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So you're saying that the scavenging is so good that you're not getting the normal oil bath lubrication you would from the wheels slinging oil up onto the cylinder walls which in turn is causing poor lubrication (cooling) to the skirts and walls creating high heat and excessive thermal expansion.....
 
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
So you're saying that the scavenging is so good that you're not getting the normal oil bath lubrication you would from the wheels slinging oil up onto the cylinder walls which in turn is causing poor lubrication (cooling) to the skirts and walls creating high heat and excessive thermal expansion.....
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In conjunction with the shitty oil passage going into the pinion shaft. Basically the oil passage is the thickness of the gasket and about 1/8" wide. Here's an illustration of this location (it's the pic I emailed to Ron for confirmation):





If you compare that passage to the OEM pump you'll notice it's machined all the way down to that lower hole. According to S&S, the HVHP pump is designed to work with the SA cases (which also have piston oilers) so that narrow passage is plenty for oiling the pinion.
 
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For reference, here's the normal S&S oil pump (the non HVHP one). See that passage?



 
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Old Jan 4, 2021 | 05:58 PM
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Started working on the piston oilers today

Cylinder as low as it goes (no base gasket)





Fired up the Grizzly mill:





Resting in place:







Fits loosely but not much breathing room





Starting the holes, drill and tap slowly..... Only get one chance:



 
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Starting the oil passage from the high pressure channel feeding the lifters. Say a few Hail Mary's first...





After some tedious moments, drilling, checking, changing sides, drilling some more, checking, etc... YAHTZEE!!!!!







Making a little more room between the oiler and the crankshaft flywheel





Ehhhh Like A Glove......





18 thou under it and a little more between the crank and the lower mounting screw. I had to mill the screw heads down a bit for clearance:



 
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Hand milled the passage after drilling a few holes with my Dremel





Rear cylinder was a bit harder than the first. I had to scoot the oiler forward more than intended due to complexity getting oil to it. Mill made quick work of it.

Both pointing towards the rear of each cylinder.








Notch out the cylinder skirts to make room





And the piston as low as it will go to check for clearance there too





Now to put the engine back together.
 
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Wow.. nice Job. I hope it works well enough to control thermal expansion.. What will the piston to cylinder clearance be?
 
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