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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 11:03 AM
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Take a deep breath, we`ve all been there on one project or another.

Leaking primary lube?
 
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 12:07 PM
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Take a deep breath, we`ve all been there on one project or another.

Leaking primary lube?
Yes, it is. I put type F Atf in the primary just for colour, but drained it and put formula plus back in thinking the thicker viscosity might help. It didnt, so now I'm still going to say its primary, but the trans has the same oil so it's kinda wash at this point. And my overflow hose for the trans is clean, so it's definitely not that (I wish)

No idea what the deal with the starter is now..jack shaft assembly was assembled correctly. Just spent the morning screwing with the starters position, lifting up and down, and still the same thing.

Fallaway on front end looks good, thinking front motor mount


I dont mins getting my hands dirty, it's just frustrating when you feel you've covered everything and the problem is still there
 
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 12:21 PM
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Dan89FLSTC has it right. Take a little time to think about it, or maybe a break. Then source the leak, and see how to address it.
Many times I also feel unsure when it comes to working on bikes, but with more experience (including struggles) comes better understanding.
You'll get it done.
 
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Originally Posted by Jag Jim
Dan89FLSTC has it right. Take a little time to think about it, or maybe a break. Then source the leak, and see how to address it.
Many times I also feel unsure when it comes to working on bikes, but with more experience (including struggles) comes better understanding.
You'll get it done.
I'm totally comfortable with it, I just dont know what to do next is really it. I mean if you tackle a job, change everything to new and follow the service specs, put it back together, and the problem is still there, it makes you wonder what other options there are for fixing.

The ONLY thing I can think, I didnt have the mainshaft lip seal installer to protect the new lip seal while installing the inner primary back on. I lubed it and was extra gentle, but other then that, I cant think of anything else that could be causing this.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 04:36 PM
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All back together, STILL LEAKS LIKE I NEVER EVEN TOUCHED IT....I am beyond frustrated...I know my mechanical capabilities, and this was not beyond it in the slightest (I've built 5 engines for drag cars, automatic and manual transmissions, as well as the car surrounding the engines). I'm pretty ticked...part of me wants to take it to a mechanic even though I dont ever have someone else fix my stuff, but I feel like it would be somewhat of a waste if I changed everything to new and followed the manual to a T, what are they going to do differently?

On top of that, bike has a scary front end wobble at 60mph and the starter only catches sometimes now since putting it back together....I love my luck
Are you absolutely sure it isn't the drain plug?
My drain plugs leak unless I put a bit of Teflon paste on them.

As for the wobbling check your rear tire for scalloping.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mshred
The ONLY thing I can think, I didnt have the mainshaft lip seal installer to protect the new lip seal while installing the inner primary back on. I lubed it and was extra gentle, but other then that, I cant think of anything else that could be causing this.
Are you referring to the inner primary bearing seal or mainshaft oil seal?

I'm assuming the leak is transmission fluid based on your "lip seal" comment.
Were the splines of the mainshaft covered with tape (I like to use clear packing tape) when you installed the mainshaft lip seal?
What's nice about the tool from George's Garage, is that it comes with a pilot that allows you to slip the seal over the mainshaft without damaging it.

https://www.georges-garage.com/produ...eal-installer/
 

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Old Apr 8, 2019 | 09:49 AM
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Are you absolutely sure it isn't the drain plug?
My drain plugs leak unless I put a bit of Teflon paste on them.

As for the wobbling check your rear tire for scalloping.
I truly wish it was, but there is oil coming from the area where the front belt sprocket is. I put teflon paste on the plug, but that doesnt seem to be the issue.

The rear tire is brand new, an Avon cobra. What exactly is scalping though? I've been told this year bike has known issues with a wobble at higher speed attributed to bad motor mounts and alignment? Did the fallaway test to the front end, all was perfect, which makes me doubt it's the steering head bearing.

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Are you referring to the inner primary bearing seal or mainshaft oil seal?

I'm assuming the leak is transmission fluid based on your "lip seal" comment.
Were the splines of the mainshaft covered with tape (I like to use clear packing tape) when you installed the mainshaft lip seal?
What's nice about the tool from George's Garage, is that it comes with a pilot that allows you to slip the seal over the mainshaft without damaging it.

https://www.georges-garage.com/produ...eal-installer/
Sorry, I am referring to the bearing pressed into the inner primary with the oil seal in behind it, so the inner primary bearing seal. I never used tape or anything of any sort...to be honest, the manual mentioned this seal protector, but had no pictures of it and I had never heard of it when researching this job, so I just made sure I took extra care when installing. Wonder if this is where my issue lies? I just find it so strange that this seal is that delicate when installing, even gently.
 
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It`s not that the seal is so delicate, the reason for the sleeve protector is because the splines on the mainshaft can have sharp edges or small burrs that will damage the seal.

But this is just guessing at this point, what you need to do now is determine what is leaking, the transmission or the primary.
 

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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
It`s not that the seal is so delicate, the reason for the sleeve protector is because the splines on the mainshaft can have sharp edges or small burrs that will damage the seal.

But this is just guessing at this point, what you need to do now is determine what is leaking, the transmission or the primary.
Ahhh yes, that makes sense, never thought of it that way.

How can I determine which would be leaking? Different colour fluids I guess? I can try atf in the primary again. When I had the front sprocket off I replaced that transmission oil seal, quad seal, and sleeve as well that all goes in behind the sprocket. From what I could tell and reading the manual, there was no special procedure for that part that I noticed
 
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Originally Posted by mshred
The rear tire is brand new, an Avon cobra. What exactly is scalping though? I've been told this year bike has known issues with a wobble at higher speed attributed to bad motor mounts and alignment?.
Scalping is the practice of removing the hair and skin from the top of the head of your dead enemy but I figure you are referring to scalloping which is an uneven tread wear.

Have you checked your motor mounts?
Have you aligned your rear tire?
 
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