Lunched my starter yesterday
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From: Haslet Texas
Which clutch gear??? Are you taking about the ring gear or the starter pinion gear?
FWIW I installed a Rivera Primo 10-84 pinion and ring gear a few years back.
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Y yeah pretty sure. it was probably 10 years ago I saw a graph comparing an oem to my current one.. I know my memory ain't the greatest but I'm pretty sure.. mine is 1.4 and works way better than OEM. if you have any doubts go with the 1.7 I'm not trying to deter you any... The other thing you're going to have to watch out for is your cold cranking amperage in your battery because a 1.7 kilowatt starter is going to draw a lot more juice and I'm not sure as to what size cable you're going to need to satisfy the drawer of that 1.7..... just things to keep in mind as well...
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Y yeah pretty sure. it was probably 10 years ago I saw a graph comparing an oem to my current one.. I know my memory ain't the greatest but I'm pretty sure.. mine is 1.4 and works way better than OEM. if you have any doubts go with the 1.7 I'm not trying to deter you any... The other thing you're going to have to watch out for is your cold cranking amperage in your battery because a 1.7 kilowatt starter is going to draw a lot more juice and I'm not sure as to what size cable you're going to need to satisfy the drawer of that 1.7..... just things to keep in mind as well...
That's all I remember about them now. I don't remember the brand either.
Here's a fun fact...
I pulled apart the old starter (I know nothing about the internals of a starter) and couldn't see a damn thing wrong!!!
From the sounds it was making I was expecting to see some teeth gone on a gear but I couldn't see anything...
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Have a Allballs 1.4 roughly 12 years old and put a stater clutch in it about every 3 years and 1 two months ago, you can't see the damage unless you take the clutch apart. It is a sprag type clutch and the rollers wear and weaken, problem is the Allballs 1.7 is still going to have the same clutch in it as the 1.4 which is made in Phillipines, Terry's advertised the larger roller strarter clutch like Allballs and made in Phillipines so most likely the same clutch. Just accepted the clutch is the weak link in starting a big cube engine and live with it, found out not to start it in the winter time.
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Have a Allballs 1.4 roughly 12 years old and put a stater clutch in it about every 3 years and 1 two months ago, you can't see the damage unless you take the clutch apart. It is a sprag type clutch and the rollers wear and weaken, problem is the Allballs 1.7 is still going to have the same clutch in it as the 1.4 which is made in Phillipines, Terry's advertised the larger roller strarter clutch like Allballs and made in Phillipines so most likely the same clutch. Just accepted the clutch is the weak link in starting a big cube engine and live with it, found out not to start it in the winter time.
There's a lot there that I didn't know.
I guess I better get some extra clutches...
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The M8's run the 1.7KV starters, worlds of difference over the old .8KV factory units. Figure these engines are running close to 11-1 compression now that should tell you something.
Edit , the plastic cage that blows up for the starter clutch is replaceable with a toyota unit for about $8, somebody in here posted up the part number and where to get it.
Edit , the plastic cage that blows up for the starter clutch is replaceable with a toyota unit for about $8, somebody in here posted up the part number and where to get it.
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None of those. I was thinking your clutch gear (see link) in your starter went out. If so, you can replace it. I guess you know if there was any damage to the ring gear on clutch pack and starter pinion gear, once you get the outer primary off. I have a friend with S&S 111 like yours and he's on the third starter clutch gear. If you have the $$, I would get a All ***** starter, but the starter clutch gear will eventually go out. The other weak area of our starter is the solenoid contacts, but they are easily replaceable too. Good luck.
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None of those. I was thinking your clutch gear (see link) in your starter went out. If so, you can replace it. I guess you know if there was any damage to the ring gear on clutch pack and starter pinion gear, once you get the outer primary off. I have a friend with S&S 111 like yours and he's on the third starter clutch gear. If you have the $$, I would get a All ***** starter, but the starter clutch gear will eventually go out. The other weak area of our starter is the solenoid contacts, but they are easily replaceable too. Good luck.
https://www.amazon.com/All-*****-Sta...a-761404696552
https://www.amazon.com/All-*****-Sta...a-761404696552
I'm gonna call All ***** and Terry and verify if they use the same starter clutch in their bigger starters.
I had a spare 1.4 kw All ***** that I threw into the bike so there's no rush on the decision process.
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If the stock starter worked fine...why change it? Bigger is not always better... especially if you don't need it...
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The 1989 starter was the low powered starter, all later years had more power, somewhere around 1kw or so.
You probably only need a starter clutch.
You probably only need a starter clutch.