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Old Jun 4, 2019 | 10:27 AM
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I just got off the phone with Terry Components and they told me that when a starter clutch goes out then you get that whirring sound that I'm familiar with.

That's not the sound I heard.

The sound I heard was more of a grinding sound and was really strange.
When I opened the starter I expected to see some broken teeth on a gear somewhere but they all looked fine.

I'm kinda at a loss as to what went wrong...
 
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Old Jun 4, 2019 | 12:23 PM
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Put the starter in a vice, then hook some jumper cables to it and to a battery. See if you make noises or if it just goes whirr.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2019 | 12:37 PM
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Sounds like you sheard off starter teeth either on the gear that rotates the clutch basket or the starter gear itself. I destroyed 2 of those 10-84 gear sets on my 127. Timing was too hot.
 
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Originally Posted by Dr.Hess
Put the starter in a vice, then hook some jumper cables to it and to a battery. See if you make noises or if it just goes whirr.
Don't need to.
True to form I took it apart the second time and found the problem.
For some reason it quite frequently takes me two times to fix something.

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Sounds like you sheard off starter teeth either on the gear that rotates the clutch basket or the starter gear itself. I destroyed 2 of those 10-84 gear sets on my 127. Timing was too hot.
That's what I thought at first too!!

What actually happened was a tooth broke off the idler gear (it drives the starter clutch) and found some wear on the armature gear (it drives the idler gear).
 
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Old Jun 4, 2019 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by texashillcountry
I just got off the phone with Terry Components and they told me that when a starter clutch goes out then you get that whirring sound that I'm familiar with.

That's not the sound I heard.

The sound I heard was more of a grinding sound and was really strange.
When I opened the starter I expected to see some broken teeth on a gear somewhere but they all looked fine.

I'm kinda at a loss as to what went wrong...
Starter clutch grinds before it goes completely out, it has fragments of rollers left before they finally quit locking in, have heard that sound quite a few times like 4, it doesn't just start whirling from the beginning.
 

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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 08:33 AM
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I'm in the same boat with my 94. Fried the starter clutch in my All ***** starter.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 09:09 AM
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Always start your bike with the throttle closed. Opening the throttle fills the cylinder and makes the engine much harder to turn over. It increases the dynamic compression of the engine by letting in more air.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 09:20 AM
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Always start your bike with the throttle closed. Opening the throttle fills the cylinder and makes the engine much harder to turn over. It increases the dynamic compression of the engine by letting in more air.
Just so you know the 111 comes with compression releases.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tas_todd
I'm in the same boat with my 94. Fried the starter clutch in my All ***** starter.
I wish it was just my starter clutch but I found damage on the armature and idler gear so instead of just replacing the clutch I'm replacing the starter.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by texashillcountry
Just so you know the 111 comes with compression releases.
I still wouldn't open the throttle. That's a big gulp of air you're letting in compared to the puny outlet in the compression release.
 
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