EVO All Evo Model Discussion

Spark plug question....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 26, 2025 | 09:39 AM
  #11  
Joe12RK's Avatar
Joe12RK
Seasoned HDF Member
10 Year Member
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,133
Likes: 2,526
From: CT/FL
Default

There's a lot to be learned from your plugs.  Much more than I knew 40 years ago.
There's a lot to be learned from the plugs. Much more than I knew 40 years ago.
 
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2025 | 03:23 PM
  #12  
blackjeep's Avatar
blackjeep
Tourer
15 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 444
Likes: 166
Default

That is the most enlightening sparkplug reading diagram I’v ever seen.
Is that still accurate with ethanol added fuels?
”unobtanium” sparkplugs?
Most people think they’re reading plugs just looking at color on insulator…
 
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2025 | 08:36 AM
  #13  
Joe12RK's Avatar
Joe12RK
Seasoned HDF Member
10 Year Member
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,133
Likes: 2,526
From: CT/FL
Default

@blackjeep I got it when I was racing, about 2009 or -10. It comes from NGK, for their standard spark plugs.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 04:55 AM
  #14  
Greaser1340's Avatar
Greaser1340
Cruiser
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 190
Likes: 409
From: Scotland UK
Default

I used to find my rear cylinder would run slightly richer on my 79 ironhead. No amount of leak chasing, carb jet / spray nozzle adjusting, timing adjustment etc would solve the issue so I used to run a hotter plug on the rear to balance it out. It worked for me and both plugs burned equal colour afterwards.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 05:56 AM
  #15  
Rains2much's Avatar
Rains2much
Grand HDF Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Top Answer: 5
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 4,248
Likes: 3,668
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by Joe12RK
Theres a lot to be learned from your plugs.  Much more than I knew 40 years ago.
There's a lot to be learned from the plugs. Much more than I knew 40 years ago.

If this chart is right, I’ve been misdiagnosing my timing by the strap for 30 years…. I’ve always (I guess wrongly) understood that what they show as plug heat range on the strap to be a indicator of timing. And what I’ve looked at for plug heat range is how many threads are colored. If more than 4 threads, run cooler.

Can anybody smarter than me confirm this chart is right? So anybody, cause you’re all likely smarter than me lol. An additional note, I hate NKG with the searing heat of a thousand suns. So I’m having trouble with this chart. I run Autolite because for me it’s fact, they consistently can be gapped wider when tested under a full load at high rpm. Other brands cut out a lot sooner than the Autolites. I typically ran 55 or more thou as a gap when at the track. At least 50 on the street. Many really expensive snake oil plugs failed past 45 and if they did get to 50-55 they wouldn’t last but a few passes before starting to cut out n the top end under a load. Autolite just flat did better.

EDITED:
So more confusing, I looked through some books and found info that supports what I’ve been doing. And I also found this on line. It kinda says both methods but adds the detail of tempering your conclusion by studying the porcelain at the same time.


 

Last edited by Rains2much; Jul 28, 2025 at 06:16 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 06:48 AM
  #16  
Joe12RK's Avatar
Joe12RK
Seasoned HDF Member
10 Year Member
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,133
Likes: 2,526
From: CT/FL
Default

@Rains2much Your 30 years experience trumps my chart any time. It's all voodoo and black magic to me. There was a guy in our little group who would look at everyone's plugs and I just followed his advice.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 08:32 AM
  #17  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,830
Likes: 7,968
From: poway
Default

One thing that bothers me about the Joe12RK one is that I have trouble wrapping my head around the strap/heat range thing.. If the strap changes color at some place, I don't see how it move by going to a cooler plug unless the length of the strap changes. Plugs of the same type but different head ranges have the same strap length.. Maybe heat off the porcelain?

Rains2much's drawing makes more sense..
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 10:14 AM
  #18  
t150vej's Avatar
t150vej
HDF Community Team
20 Year Member
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,375
Likes: 2,570
From: NC USA
Community Team
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
One thing that bothers me about the Joe12RK one is that I have trouble wrapping my head around the strap/heat range thing.. If the strap changes color at some place, I don't see how it move by going to a cooler plug unless the length of the strap changes. Plugs of the same type but different head ranges have the same strap length.. Maybe heat off the porcelain?

Rains2much's drawing makes more sense..
Hotter the plug, the longer/deeper into chamber the porcelain and electrode goes. The strap is shorter.only when you get into really cold plugs that have no use in an Evo. Longer puts everything deeper onto the blast of ignition. Timing moves the blast edge up or down also. That's why everyone wants to say read the strap for timing but you really aren't, rather you're seeing the temperature of the blast at a given depth with that method.. Max, I know you do a lot of high compression and use small plugs. This rant is only for 14x1.25 on an Evo..

The chart with the brown rings is again, for a water-cooled engine but it's as close to what an Evo plug will look like when properly tuned. The top brown ring will never show. That area is where you may see black spots (splattered oil from spark knock) or the tiny silver specks from piston top blasting away from too much timing, too lean, too much heat. You may also see a thin oily black line burned into that area of the porcelain just below the electrode, on the side nearest the intake valve, if you have a bad valve seal.

The two important things to look at are the tip of the electrode for timing and width of the brown band in the bottom for jetting. (detonation evidence will never that deep). Don't worry with the rest of it, it'll drive you nuts.

Always use copper electrodes (no iridium) Whoever said NGX were difficult to read, I agree. I like Champion 404 but "whatever works". Whatever you use, you'll have to ride about 300-400 miles, with minimum cold starts to see all the indicators clearly as shown on the chart with brown bands, Again, only the bottom ring and the tip of the electrode really tell you much for street bikes and it takes some miles before they show up..
 
Reply
HD Forum Stories

The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders

story-0

7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 10:22 AM
  #19  
TriGeezer's Avatar
TriGeezer
Seasoned HDF Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 32,934
Likes: 36,027
From: Carlsbad, CA
Default

Here’s an excellent plug reading tutorial from one of the premier race car engine builders. I posted this a while back. He has a better perspective on the strap color and shows it changing with timing.


How to read spark plugs, from an expert - Harley Davidson Forums
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...an-expert.html
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2025 | 02:06 PM
  #20  
blackjeep's Avatar
blackjeep
Tourer
15 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 444
Likes: 166
Default

I’m learning more about reading plugs than ever before.
riding a carbed evo now compared to the higher compression injected bikes before and the plugs are night and day. Amazing how precise a tuned injection system can be compared to a “controlled leak” carb.
couldn’t pay me to go back
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 PM.

story-0
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

Slideshow: The bar-and-shield logo shows up on far more than motorcycles, some of the company's most unexpected products have nothing to do with riding.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 16:50:35


VIEW MORE
story-1
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: Not every Harley gets it right, but these are the ones that genuinely earned their reputation.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-15 14:23:21


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: From the troubled AMF years to modern misfires, these bikes earned reputations for reliability issues, questionable engineering, or disappointing performance.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-01 20:01:09


VIEW MORE
story-3
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

Slideshow: Killer Custom's "Jail Breaker" build focuses more on stance and visual aggression than mechanical overhaul.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-18 19:20:32


VIEW MORE
story-4
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

Slideshow: The Swiss custom shop has taken a Harley Softail and stretched it into something so long and low that it looks closer to a rolling sculpture than a conventional motorcycle.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-07 16:15:30


VIEW MORE
story-5
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's new RMCR concept revives the café racer formula with modern hardware-and it may be exactly the reset the company needs.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-04 12:23:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

Slideshow: A standard cruiser becomes an intricate metal canvas in the hands of a Swiss custom house known for pushing Harley-Davidson platforms far beyond their factory brief.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-02-24 18:19:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There is no shortage of great motorcycles to buy, but we would avoid these ten.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 14:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's challenges aren't abstract; they show up in dropping shipments, shrinking dealer traffic, and strategic decisions that aren't yet translating into growth.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-13 18:33:17


VIEW MORE
story-9
Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

Slideshow: Graeme Billington's left-hand-drive Shovelhead is as much about problem-solving as it is about classic Harley form.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2025-12-30 11:27:08


VIEW MORE