Double post.

 

Hey - anything that gets you back on two wheels is goodness! Glad you are getting it fixed.

 

Am I the only caveman who still uses a torch for welding anymore?

With totally quiet mufflers the stock steup is OK, but if they're opened up some, they just don't sound right. Here's a trick I did some time ago and now have over 20,000 on the exhaust and it still works well.

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/evo-c...00-really.html

And here's a company still making a dual conversion and they still offer the flare/v-clamp connector style for the 84-94 style mufflers as well as 95-up style.

http://www.fullsac.com/true-dual-kits.html

 

So what is the advantage of dual vs. crossover?

 

When I took the pipe in those weld shops and got those replys, I just figured thay dont know how to weld or didnt want my money. I could have welded it myself if I had a welder. Didnt want to rent one. Would have cost just as much as to have a shop weld it. I told the story to the guys at work and they got a chuckle out of it too. Anyways, Its done and back on the bike as of 7:00 tonight.
Im gonna start saving pennies for a true dual setup. But somehow, I like the stock classic harley look of the exhaust. Maybe get one with a ghost pipe to keep the look.

 

It's debatable... and all of this is just my opinion. Some people say they increase torque and HP. But, they also do away with any exhaust gas scavenging via the crossover - so you don't have as much "forgiveness" as a crossover exhaust, and you need to run the right combination of cam, intake, and exhaust. I have read that if you are running the wrong cam (one with a lot of overlap and/or long duration), they can actually hurt performance, especially on the low end, and they tend to idle a bit rougher because of no scavenging. At least Bertha does...

I run V&H Dresser Duals primarily for the look (no pipe coming down from the rear cylinder on the right side, which opens it up visually) and the sound (which I just like better... don't know why). My brain likes to believe that the bike runs better than it did with the stock crossover headers - but I have no real proof of that. One thing though - with long open pipes like my fishtails, I got a TON of reversion popping on deceleration with the duals that wasn't there with the crossover headers, but they work fine with my V&H Big Oval slip-on mufflers with no popping. I fixed the reversion popping with the fishtails by using a thumbscrew with a 1" head bolted from the top of each pipe, between the mounts under the saddlebags, with the head of the screw hanging down into the pipes and placed perpendicular to them, (like the old Honda "Snuff 'r' Not" gizmo I had on my little CB350 back in the 70s), but then they didn't sound as good as they did open... kind of flat sounding.

I would run a 2-into-1 if I really wanted the best performance... I just don't think they look quite right on a big old chromed-out bagger like Bertha. The 2010 Street Glide and Road Glide Custom come with 2-into-1 pipes - but they are new-age custom-looking baggers, so I can to forgive the MoCo for that!

Hopefully John T. or someone with more experience than me will chime in with their thoughts on duals vs. crossover.

 

You said you took it to shops on Saturday(?) Well, any self-respecting Southerner ain't gonna do a damn thing on Saturday if he can get out of it!

A tuned 2 into 1 will out perform any other exhaust and that's not even debatable, but we each have our own preferences therefore there's a ton of folks making a lot of different stuff to get our money.

True duals are expensive and if you're going to install a ghost pipe, you're much better off with the 3.00 fix I described in the link I left on the other post. That gives you a 90 - 98% true dual and no one can ever tell it's not original because you are running original pipes - nothing cut, welded or visibly altered.