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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 02:09 AM
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Well if your carb gets weird it takes nothing to fix,what about EFI if something goes wrong it can and will shut you down, costs a fortune to fix and can do it any time.
It's not for me.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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My 98 RKC is my first EFI bike. I was pretty nervous about it at first, having only owned carbs before. I had to do quite a bit of reading and learning but I've gotten comfortable with it. The only problem I've had is to replace the head temp sensor twice. Other than that, it's been fine. I also picked up a used breakout box to help with diagnostics.

I really like simply hitting the switch and it's running. Not like that on my shovel or ironhead by any stretch of the imagination. I like reliability. If I want speed, I'll jump on something else. My bike is also nearly stock, except for stage I.

You will have to warm up any EVO for a while regardless of fuel system or you will get base gasket leaks.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by carlgrover
My 98 RKC is my first EFI bike. I was pretty nervous about it at first, having only owned carbs before. I had to do quite a bit of reading and learning but I've gotten comfortable with it.
I suppose my Firebolt qualifies as being an Evo? I've had XB9R and XB12R, both with EFI and I have to say pressing the button has always been a heart-warming experience, guaranteed to give me a silly smile! Didn't do any research, both were impulse buys. Buttercup was the last one in the shop! The lunge as she pulls away never fails to please. EFI is great! So is the S&S Super G on my 107".....

You will have to warm up any EVO for a while regardless of fuel system or you will get base gasket leaks.
I have only come across that recently! Had my FLHS from new and learned early on the base gaskets could leak, but having replaced them I never had any more problems.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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The vast majority of cars and trucks on the road are EFI. Time to step out of the dark ages. Reliability is a non-issue. Even NASCAR is now EFI for pete's sake.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 04:47 PM
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Back in 1971 I seriously considered buying a Munch Mammut, with mechanical fuel injection! We've had a lot of opportunities since then to get used to it.
 

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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
The vast majority of cars and trucks on the road are EFI. Time to step out of the dark ages. Reliability is a non-issue. Even NASCAR is now EFI for pete's sake.
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 05:00 PM
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Carburetors might be user friendly but old tech and old news. Fuel injection is such a vast improvement and has infinite tuning options.
A carb has no advantages over fuel injection. Not in today's day and age.
Automobiles ditched carbs in the 80s. Bikes are 20-30 years behind but at least finally a government agency(EPA) did something useful for a change
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 07:27 PM
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http://www.hdopenroad.com/guest-arti...e-sweet-years/
Read the EFI section dudes.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Shredding rubber
Carburetors might be user friendly but old tech and old news. Fuel injection is such a vast improvement and has infinite tuning options.
Please explain the differance of a carb runing 13.2 AFR and EFI running 13.2 AFR, is an injector more efficient at a givin AFR? does a injector create more power at a givin AFR? not starting crap, just conversation.

EFI adapts quickly to temperature and conditions and it's advantages, infinite tuning options is only in the hands of a $300-$500 a session tuner and you hope he is a good one that has the ability to use all of the drop down menues, if not, should be another guy available to charge you again. In the right hands, a Delphi with a Mastertune/Powercommander is a weapon and a great combination for finely tuning and getting every ounce of efficiency is a strength and will give credit when credit is due.

I have to break news daily of $2000-$3000 dollar repairs to customers for the modern EFI control systems so many don't get to see the side of EFI repair costs I deal with daily, EFI technology holds people ransom by streamlining techs that can repair the failures, maybe that is why I have a hard time of spending the coin for a aftermarket EFI and remember, we are talking EFI for a 1995-1998 Evos, aftermarket costs a fortune and not many choices to install a aftermarket EFI system to a Evo so the world of infinate tuning is narrowed down. Is a 1995-1998 EFI better than a carb? that was the origional question, I will take a Mikuni over this system anyday and havn't read about it for referance.
 

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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 09:19 PM
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It's honestly a bit silly to compare modern automotive EFI to anything EVO, let alone MM EFI.. In reality,"modern" EFI of even '85 used an o2 sensor for feedback in order to make adjustments. On the MM EFI, '95-98 HD, there is no o2. Meaning, you get what's programmed in. It is what it is. Programmers can get them better based on pre programmed maps(from what I understand), but still not a feedback system.. Hell, my buddy's first mod to his new nightrain was to disconnect the o2 and use a programmer...... In a nutshell, my point is, if HD used full blown OBDII EFI systems on their bikes, I'd be completely sold and would never think twice about a carb.. In fact, that is my exact feeling in the automotive world... Carbs are useless on a car, horrible antiquated tech that for every operating mode, delivered the wrong amount of fuel.... But, on a bike, I'm finding it hard to beat.. Now that I have both a couple of carbed bikes and now an injected, the injected is nice, but not nearly as freindly as the carbs when thinking of mods. If I happened to break down, I hope I'm on the carbed bike because I can probably fix it and parts are readilly available..
 
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