Tranny removal tips?
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I had noticed when I was putting the selector forks back in this replacement tranny that the forks were wore kind like the middle fork in my old tranny which I had found out was because I had the thrust washer on the wrong side of snap ring throwing thinks off.Now the guy I bought it from is supposedly a mechanic and he told me he shimmed the selector drum on the right support block on both the inside of the block and the outside and I know Spanners had explicitly mentioned he thought he seen an extra shim on my old selector drum ( which was just camera vision trickery) which would cause problems, now with the PO of this tranny shimming both sides would it have caused excessive wear to the forks? And the next dumb question I better ask , should I reshim the selector drum so there's only a shim on the outside of right support block to .004?
I was also curious from you guys in the Know if you've heard any bad things about the Ultima casings being of poor quality metal and having issues at the main bearing casing area?I don't want to start a debate I just want a couple professional opinions.
Thanks guys you've been a tremendous help.
Lynn
I was also curious from you guys in the Know if you've heard any bad things about the Ultima casings being of poor quality metal and having issues at the main bearing casing area?I don't want to start a debate I just want a couple professional opinions.
Thanks guys you've been a tremendous help.
Lynn
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There should only be a shim on the outside of the support block and yes, it would mark the forks as per the one in your old box....re-shim as per the manual.
I learnt how bad the inside shim is when a guy brought me an ex-police Twin Cam that had always been a dog to get into neutral.....the shims were inside and a PO had modified the clip so it would fit.
I firmly believe that this had been done deliberately by the wrench who was servicing Cop Bikes for whatever force the bike orginially came from and it was done just **** the Cops off....partly this is because it couldn't have been done accidentally and partly because I used to have a mate that serviced Cop Moto Guzzis in the UK and he did all sorts of weird **** to the bikes, just to annoy the Cops that rode them :-)
I learnt how bad the inside shim is when a guy brought me an ex-police Twin Cam that had always been a dog to get into neutral.....the shims were inside and a PO had modified the clip so it would fit.
I firmly believe that this had been done deliberately by the wrench who was servicing Cop Bikes for whatever force the bike orginially came from and it was done just **** the Cops off....partly this is because it couldn't have been done accidentally and partly because I used to have a mate that serviced Cop Moto Guzzis in the UK and he did all sorts of weird **** to the bikes, just to annoy the Cops that rode them :-)
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There should only be a shim on the outside of the support block and yes, it would mark the forks as per the one in your old box....re-shim as per the manual.
I learnt how bad the inside shim is when a guy brought me an ex-police Twin Cam that had always been a dog to get into neutral.....the shims were inside and a PO had modified the clip so it would fit.
I firmly believe that this had been done deliberately by the wrench who was servicing Cop Bikes for whatever force the bike orginially came from and it was done just **** the Cops off....partly this is because it couldn't have been done accidentally and partly because I used to have a mate that serviced Cop Moto Guzzis in the UK and he did all sorts of weird **** to the bikes, just to annoy the Cops that rode them :-)
I learnt how bad the inside shim is when a guy brought me an ex-police Twin Cam that had always been a dog to get into neutral.....the shims were inside and a PO had modified the clip so it would fit.
I firmly believe that this had been done deliberately by the wrench who was servicing Cop Bikes for whatever force the bike orginially came from and it was done just **** the Cops off....partly this is because it couldn't have been done accidentally and partly because I used to have a mate that serviced Cop Moto Guzzis in the UK and he did all sorts of weird **** to the bikes, just to annoy the Cops that rode them :-)
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I pulled the selector drum and removed the circlip and there was only a single .029 shim on the circlip side of the block so I made an executive decision and
just used the selector drum out of mine and used the Left selector block off the new one as it had the holes for the dowels and the case has the dowel holes on the left as well as on the right so I pulled the two dowels out of the
Old tranny, I figure it'll be more precise fit. The new tranny shifted very well and
Although selector fork was centred ok in one of the
Gears downshifting needs a heavier afoot or it
Floats a bit and doesn't go right In. Then again neutral wasn't coming all that easy and clutch is releasing a bit too close to the bar so I'll turn in the adjuster and see if that helps , I like it to disengage about 1/2" off the bar.
just used the selector drum out of mine and used the Left selector block off the new one as it had the holes for the dowels and the case has the dowel holes on the left as well as on the right so I pulled the two dowels out of the
Old tranny, I figure it'll be more precise fit. The new tranny shifted very well and
Although selector fork was centred ok in one of the
Gears downshifting needs a heavier afoot or it
Floats a bit and doesn't go right In. Then again neutral wasn't coming all that easy and clutch is releasing a bit too close to the bar so I'll turn in the adjuster and see if that helps , I like it to disengage about 1/2" off the bar.
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You could have used the "new" drum, just shim it to specs. Clutch adjustment may need to be different to what you are used to in order to get the shifting smooth.
My Wide Glide has a harsh change into 3rd from 2nd, every other gear is fine though....."primitive" is how I describe these trannys ;-)
My Wide Glide has a harsh change into 3rd from 2nd, every other gear is fine though....."primitive" is how I describe these trannys ;-)
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Actually that's why I used my drum is because I already new it was shimmed
To spec. So I thought I'd take a peak under the bike before I came to work tonite and I seen small dot of oil from oil pump and big puddle of nice clean gear oil, put bike up in the air and sure enough coming from inside of pulley, sheeeesh.Makes me wander now how long the trAnny had been sitting dry. I knew the guy was too quick to help me pull the pulley and reinstall.
To spec. So I thought I'd take a peak under the bike before I came to work tonite and I seen small dot of oil from oil pump and big puddle of nice clean gear oil, put bike up in the air and sure enough coming from inside of pulley, sheeeesh.Makes me wander now how long the trAnny had been sitting dry. I knew the guy was too quick to help me pull the pulley and reinstall.
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The reason you shim them is because they are not part of a stable system as regards manufacture (sand not die cast) so even if you use your old drum etc it still needs shimming on the bike to be 100% sure its all good.......with the drum and block it will be OK 99.9% of the time but its always best to double check.
Leaking pulley seal sucks about as much as anything can suck when one is in your position......you must be getting pretty quick at pulling these apart now!
Leaking pulley seal sucks about as much as anything can suck when one is in your position......you must be getting pretty quick at pulling these apart now!