Gobs of torque down low and pull thru 6000 rpm is asking for alot, I can only throw at you what cams I understand and cams I have ran. That SEH-3 should be the same numbers as the EV-27 to start with.

A Woods W6 is comparable to a EV-27 but has slightly steeper ramps and a torque monster but limited in higher rpm's, W6H is a W6 on steroids and know for a fact that bouncing a rev limiter @ 6400 is within reach and gobs of torque down low but the trade off is stress on the rockers and valves with stock rocker arms, been running stock rocker arms for 3 years with the W6H and have been ok BUT some quick ramps plus both Woods takes different lifter adjustments to tame some noise. Woods cams run as advertised. The Woods and Ev27 is good around 9.7-1 in a big bike, light bike can get away with 10.0-1 and adjustable ignitions.

A Evo sleeper cam is a Mackie 580, it has numbers that can pull early and go long. Had one in the white bike before the Woods W6H and now the Mackie 580 is in my friends lighter bike and out performs a Andrews cam that was in it and set up at 10.0-1. The 580's lobes are not real steep that won't stress the valves/rockers and kinda old school power, can get away with 10.0-1 with this cam

V-thunder has some cams that have low and upper number designs that are easy in the valves/rockers, the 5010/5015 would be a good one as a know the 5005 pulls real hard down low but falls of quick so a later intake closing cam is needed.

The EV-27 is battle tested, the W6 will go slightly deeper in rpms than the 27, the DME580 flys under the radar but would throw some cams at Bean, knowledgeable people that have fair pricing for their work.

I'm really shocked that Sachs didn't return a call, I've called him many times and customer minded.



Screaming Eagle

SE-3 20 36 44 16 236 240 36 98 104 101 0.503 0.503

Andrews

EV27 20 36 44 16 236 240 36 98 104 101 0.495 0.495

Woods

W6 20 40 42 18 240 240 38 100 102 101 0.51 0.51

 

i understand that there's no such thing as a cam that'll flatline a torque curve from 1500 to 6000rpm. I cant have my cake and eat it too.

I should rephrase that: gobs of torque to carry me through 5k, where the HP wont fall off after the torque peaks. I'm running a 6k rpm redline (could probably push it to 6500 with the new lifters (Jims big axles) and valve springs (crane), but cant imagine really making enough power up that high for it to be worthwhile (a la, why abuse it regularly....I hit the rev limiter on a daily basis, but not planning on consistently winding it out in every gear at every stop light or onramp)


the SE3 might be plenty, but seeing as that's what been in the bike the whole time, it's felt pretty anemic up until this point. I'm sure a compression bump will help, but if I'm doing everything else here, theres no reason not to make sure I have the best cam I can get for what I want.

exactly how brutal are the W6H's on the valve train? I'm going to be running Rivera TaperLites and Jims lifters, stock valves/guides with crane springs

 

Start entering the world of 590 lift cams and roller rockers are recommended, I still have stock rocker arms and understand that quicker lateral wear on the guides is a result without roller rockers. I'm stubborn and don't feel like tearing the top off my motor so I monitor noises closely but 3 years with the Woods as of now.

Ok, W6H has lets say square lobes that open and close valves quickly aka a race design. the design opens a valve quickly with 590 lift along with extra valve spring pressure and known to challange lifters, that is why a secret to Woods cams is to set the lifter depth deeper to tame clatter caused by the rapid open and closing. The lifter plunger depth is set to .750 instead of .500 and the Woods can be undetectable if set up right, not set up right and many owners pull the cam out but is a high reward cam when right.

I have collasped 2 Harley "B" lifters and believe it or not the current Ultima's have taken 2 years of rev limiter bounces, I just struggle with what they charge for big name lifters but will give in if the Ultima's fail.

Ask Bean about the Mackie 580 if you call him back

 

I do have a brand new set of Jim's BigAxle lifters, but almost shat a brick when I looked at the price of their roller rockers! $600? jeeze...that's a LOT of other parts I could buy. I hate to cheap out at this point, but do you have any experience with the Ultima roller rockers?

 

These Twinkie riders are gonna be in for a surprise when you roll up to them at a stop light Jasper.
Are you gonna pull the engine off the bike?
-Tom

 

I hope not. at this point the only thing that'd cause that if I was dumb and dropped something into the case that I couldnt retrieve with a magnet on a stick. the heads are off (gotta box them up tomorrow and ship them to Bean...just missing some packing supplies at the moment). gonna swing by GP and grab a James top end gasket kit. wont touch the base gaskets til I'm ready for reassembly (limit the amount of time the cases are open/accessible).


you oughta swing by sometime Tom, check it out. by spring time, she's gonna be a total package. new rubber and fairing this year, engine work and new suspension over the winter. she's gonna surprise a few people, thats for sure

 

I'll definitely make the 4 mile trip to saugus and see what u got cooking. I gotta take my tins of and cut them ugly heritage scrap metal to shreds. I am sick of the classic look and am hoping to add a bagger in 2013 to the garage. I really like my sled now and it rides so nice and fun but the OL really likes riding with me and the addition of any FLH** will be cool. I gotta promise to leave that one stock. Lol

 

took your advice, talked to Bean again today. he said handsdown he'd recommend the W6 with pistons (10:1)

got Wiseco's ordered (my indy swears by em, I always had good luck with em from my motocross racing days), got a local shop who is gonna bore the cylinders 5thous' over (its who my indy uses), and the heads will go out as soon as I find more cardboard boxes and packing stuff to wrap them up in.


did all the math out, static CR oughta be ~ 9.9:1, corrected CR is ~ 9.1:1, cold cranking pressure will be in the ~ 185-190psi range


for the extra $40, im REALLY considering having Bean machine the heads for compression releases. seems like cheap insurance for me, especially where I'm already on my second starter clutch, and the CR's are cheaper than starter clutches + associated gaskets (and the time to change it!)

 

Ultima's have a different ratio and will be ugly with the Woods ramps. A guy on Ebay called Shovelkicker sells new TP roller rockers and go for 1/3 of the price. TP has a good name and the Evo and Twinkee roller rockers are the same but with a W6 you will be fine without them but wouldn't hurt to have them.

180-190 static is perfect, CR's would be a bonus. I have a AllsBalls starter, HD battery just finished it's 4th season and have gotton some kickback during hot temp heatsoak with the older battery and 190 static, CR's would be a nice addition for starter clutch wear but a new battery rips my engine over.

All I can say is giddy up and remember to set the plungers deeper in the lifter, actually with the cylinder grow from heat expansion, the setting is coming back close to a little deeper than .500, a Woods cam can clatter if it gets on the shallow side of .500 and you will pull it out.

 

cool, thats what I'm figuring. its only an extra $80 parts and labor to add that, so why not? worst case, I dont use em.

checked out the TP rockers. ouch, still $400. I think I'll stick with stockers for now. worst case scenario, the rockers arent the worst thing to replace (at least I can get to em without pulling the heads again). I do think I'm going to invest in one of those fancy wrenches to get at the rocker box allen bolts though. I cut down a 1/4" long piece of allen wrench, and did these with a TINY little box end wrench. was not fun.

I've got *zero* experience setting up pushrods. I'll have my buddy swing by for that part of the job (hes been wrenching on harleys for 30 years)