Unedited: Adding a second relay to fix the dreaded click
Road Master
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From: Utah
Ok guys. I'm just wanting to check that I'm experiencing "the dreaded click" and not another problem.
The click I am getting is a relay type click, not a solenoid clunk type click. It did this out of the blue yesterday, no warning,etc. Just no start. When I hit the start button, lights dim a little and about 2-3 seconds later I hear the electrical click. about 2 seconds after releasing the start button I hear it again. I do have a button on my solenoid and it does fire me right up. I also jumped across the leads on the solenoid and see cranked.
Before reading this, I had already checked the battery (12.68V). I changed the starter relay, and checked as much wiring as I could with out digging to deep. Does this sound like the same problem to you guys? This is on my 97 Heritage springer, FLSTS...so If it is the same problem I just need to run a fused wire to terminal 30 on the starter relay direct from the battery?
Thanks in advance!
The click I am getting is a relay type click, not a solenoid clunk type click. It did this out of the blue yesterday, no warning,etc. Just no start. When I hit the start button, lights dim a little and about 2-3 seconds later I hear the electrical click. about 2 seconds after releasing the start button I hear it again. I do have a button on my solenoid and it does fire me right up. I also jumped across the leads on the solenoid and see cranked.
Before reading this, I had already checked the battery (12.68V). I changed the starter relay, and checked as much wiring as I could with out digging to deep. Does this sound like the same problem to you guys? This is on my 97 Heritage springer, FLSTS...so If it is the same problem I just need to run a fused wire to terminal 30 on the starter relay direct from the battery?
Thanks in advance!
Dirt don't hurt
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From: Haslet Texas
It sure sounds like the dreaded click. Mine didn't have the delay yours seems to but everything else sounds the same.
You are correct that for your model bike you only need the jumper wire with fuse.
You are correct that for your model bike you only need the jumper wire with fuse.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2012
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From: Utah
Thanks! Funny, I had an old plug for a battery tender that someone left on one of my other bikes. I pulled it out of the junk drawer today and cut the non fused wire of to make the jumper for the starter solenoid check. Guess I'll use the fused wire for this...update to follow in hopefully a few minutes...
Dirt don't hurt
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From: Haslet Texas
Thanks! Funny, I had an old plug for a battery tender that someone left on one of my other bikes. I pulled it out of the junk drawer today and cut the non fused wire of to make the jumper for the starter solenoid check. Guess I'll use the fused wire for this...update to follow in hopefully a few minutes...
Road Master
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From: Utah
Well aint I the lucky one. About 40 people used this and it worked. Of course it did absolutely nothing to help me. Still does the same exact thing. Also, when I get the small electronic click it can feel that it is one of my 15amp circuit breakers.
To top it all off my freaking service manual is MIA so I have ordered another but for now I'm trying to do this with out a wiring diagram. I hate electrical stuff with a passion! I swear I can build a bike from the ground up mechanically but when it comes to the electronics I'm baffled.
Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll try and figure something out.
To top it all off my freaking service manual is MIA so I have ordered another but for now I'm trying to do this with out a wiring diagram. I hate electrical stuff with a passion! I swear I can build a bike from the ground up mechanically but when it comes to the electronics I'm baffled.
Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll try and figure something out.
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Road Captain
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From: Indian Head, PA
When I hit the start button, lights dim a little and about 2-3 seconds later I hear the electrical click. about 2 seconds after releasing the start button I hear it again. I do have a button on my solenoid and it does fire me right up. I also jumped across the leads on the solenoid and see cranked.
Before reading this, I had already checked the battery (12.68V). I changed the starter relay, and checked as much wiring as I could with out digging to deep. Does this sound like the same problem to you guys? This is on my 97 Heritage springer, FLSTS...so If it is the same problem I just need to run a fused wire to terminal 30 on the starter relay direct from the battery?
Thanks in advance!
Before reading this, I had already checked the battery (12.68V). I changed the starter relay, and checked as much wiring as I could with out digging to deep. Does this sound like the same problem to you guys? This is on my 97 Heritage springer, FLSTS...so If it is the same problem I just need to run a fused wire to terminal 30 on the starter relay direct from the battery?
Thanks in advance!
No, you do not have the same dreaded click that this thread addresses.
The click you hear at 2-3 seconds after pushing the button is the breaker tripping (which happens when the circuit is asking for more current than the breaker can provide), and the click you're hearing when you release the button is the breaker resetting. Something on that circuit is causing an overload. My guess is a shorted wire. Double-check your handlebar wiring, looking closely for any rubbed or pinched wires that might be causing the short.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2012
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From: Utah
Okay, I decided to go back and read your first description more carefully.
No, you do not have the same dreaded click that this thread addresses.
The click you hear at 2-3 seconds after pushing the button is the breaker tripping (which happens when the circuit is asking for more current than the breaker can provide), and the click you're hearing when you release the button is the breaker resetting. Something on that circuit is causing an overload. My guess is a shorted wire. Double-check your handlebar wiring, looking closely for any rubbed or pinched wires that might be causing the short.
No, you do not have the same dreaded click that this thread addresses.
The click you hear at 2-3 seconds after pushing the button is the breaker tripping (which happens when the circuit is asking for more current than the breaker can provide), and the click you're hearing when you release the button is the breaker resetting. Something on that circuit is causing an overload. My guess is a shorted wire. Double-check your handlebar wiring, looking closely for any rubbed or pinched wires that might be causing the short.
Does anyone know what values I should be reading on the starter relay on 85 & 86 when I hit the start button? Finally had someone stop by to hit the buttons for me while I held the test leads. Started getting a very low voltage reading on the coil of the relay before the breaker popped. It was about .04V. Either way, that relay is not activating. Oh well....tomorrow is another day. Think I'll hit that start button on the solenoid and go for a good morning cruise to lift the spirits before I start tearing it apart.
Thanks for the help guys.
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Road Captain
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From: Indian Head, PA
85 and 86 are the control tabs that tell the relay to turn on/off power between 30 and 87 on the softtail. It should be reading somewhere around 12 volts at either tab when you have the handlebar button pushed.
Road Master
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From: Utah
Ok, that is what I thought. It is not getting there so I am assuming everything past that point to the starter is good. Tomorrow I'll did into the switches. I hope like hell the problem is right at the switch cause my wires are inside the bar and i really don't want to tear it down all the way.