EVO All Evo Model Discussion

95 Heritage, Adding 6 speed, cam, compression

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 19, 2013 | 01:30 PM
  #31  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I should not cheap out by reusing the lifters.

I found a set of lifters on eBay for a decent deal.

Crane Cams big axle lifters 3-2050. I picked up the set of four for $189.95 including shipping.

Oddly enough I was able to find the big axle lifters for slightly less than the regular ones even though they were both crane cams.

I found a decent deal on roller rockers but after reading numerous complaints about noise, I decided to stick with the stock rockers, especially since the ev13 is such a mild cam.

I also got to thinking about the cam bearing and instead of taking the chance the shop would install whatever they had or maybe not even change it, I went ahead and picked up Crane Cams cam bearing 7-0400 after reading about it. I found it on ebay for $15.51 including shipping.

I know there can be a lot of variation with the quality of gaskets, and instead of taking a chance the shop would use whatever cheap gaskets they might have laying around, I decided to order Cometic gaskets myself after researching their website. Another factor is I want the head gasket to be .030" thick to work well with the amount of material I am planning on having removed from the heads. The plan is to removed .050" from the heads and then use the .030" head gaskets, which would give me compression of 9.5: 1. Normal gasket thickness is .040" or .060". I read that it is best to not exceed .050" when shaving the heads for a mild cam and instead use the thinner gasket to get the compression higher. I got a Cometic top end gasket kit with the .030" head gaskets and a Cometic Cam Service gasket kit on ebay. Part numbers and pricing, including shipping are as follows:

Cometic Cam Gasket Service Kit C9624F was $19.04
Cometic EST Top End Gasket Kit w/.030" Head was $87.39

I am not trying to be a post ***** here. I think documenting the parts I purchased, along with part numbers and prices can be of benefit to someone in the future. I edited this particular post to add a lot more information.
 

Last edited by Prot; Sep 19, 2013 at 09:46 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:38 PM
  #32  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

The last of the parts showed up on my door step today. Now the tough decision. Weather is beautiful, sunny, and temperatures have subsided to just being cool at night and warm in the day compared to the heat that has been making it almost too hot to ride

(I quantified that with almost, although the Evo actually started to overheat in a horrible traffic jam caused by road construction, causing me to shut the engine down and push the heavy Heritage in heavy traffic a little over two miles, before traffic started flowing enough to justify running the engine)

So, since the work is a little more extensive than what I am comfortable doing, I am taking it to a good shop to get it done. I have 11 days vacation which started when I left work at 5 PM this evening. With this nice weather, I might just hold on to the parts and bring the bike to the shop just before my vacation ends. Alternatively, I could bring the bike to the shop, then take off on an impromptu out of state road trip in my Jeep and then the bike will be ready when I get back, with the rationale being I am anxious to see the results of the upgrades.

Something I observed a couple of nights ago that was interesting. The temperature dropped down to 70 and the dew point was 67, so it was a cool evening for a ride. The bike ran so good and felt like it had so much more power. It ran so smooth. If it was like that all of the time, I would probably not even bother with these upgrades. I think since this summer was especially hot, it made the engine feel tired due to lower air density.
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:50 PM
  #33  
Whitey1's Avatar
Whitey1
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
From: Indiana
Default

Never mind, I was asking about pushrods and I see you already bought some adjustables.
 

Last edited by Whitey1; Sep 26, 2013 at 10:00 PM. Reason: Never mind.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:54 PM
  #34  
Tee&Vee's Avatar
Tee&Vee
Stellar HDF Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,583
Likes: 115
From: Boston, MA
Default

LA?? I would be holding onto the parts until after Christmas then drop her off. you gots lotsa good riding weather left yet. no?
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:01 PM
  #35  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

Originally Posted by Tee⋁11810955
LA?? I would be holding onto the parts until after Christmas then drop her off. you gots lotsa good riding weather left yet. no?
We get a lot of rain down here. I have gotten drenched badly repeatedly recently and the bike is still filthy from it.
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:15 PM
  #36  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

Originally Posted by Whitey1
Never mind, I was asking about pushrods and I see you already bought some adjustables.

Yep, adjustable chromoly adjustables from Crane Cam. I got a decent deal on them. The Andrews ones were a lot more expensive and I found no evidence of them being better, especially with the big difference in price.

Regarding milling the heads, I am going to ask the shop if they can CC them first, because apparently there is a lot of variation and loose manufacturing tolerance to where what may be the perfect amount to remove from one particular engine may end up being way too much causing problems, or too little to even make a difference.

I know what cranking pressure I want to end up with and what Andrews recommended for static compression ratio.

Andrews recommends 9.25:1

Taking .040 off combined with the .030" gasket will probably be fine, but I want a measurement to make sure. If the shop I intend on going to can't do it, then there a couple of places I found online that do it and mill the heads relatively cheap in which case then it just becomes a matter of assembly of parts with a bolt in cam, which I can do during my vacation. When I am not on vacation, I work way too much to this stuff anymore. My job is like a jealous mistress and demands ALL of my time, causing me to often question why am I working since it often seems like I work for the sake of working with no regard to time off, personal time, and enjoyment of life. Gotta love being salaried management.

I got the 4 cams in my 92 sportster right by myself without internet help, so this should be easier. My main concern has to do with end play. With the sportster, I actually was changing out parts due to grinding damage from a crash. Harley offered a chrome replacement piece that came with matched cams, making that very easy, and just an exercise in patience trying to hold all the parts together with the teeth aligned right at the same time.
 
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 05:49 AM
  #37  
Joe_G's Avatar
Joe_G
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,721
Likes: 103
From: St. Louis, MO
Default

Air density makes a huge difference on performance. Drag racers use a rule of thumb of a tenth lost for every 1000 foot change in density altitude. Nowadays we are all out there checking the Drag Times app on our phones to gauge how we will run as the temp drops at night.

I think if I was in your shoes I'd enjoy the bike and weather while on vacation and have it fixed while you are working.
 
Reply
Old Sep 29, 2013 | 12:37 PM
  #38  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

Unless something changes in the forecast, I am bringing it in Tuesday, since the shop is closed Sunday and Monday. 40% rain in the next few days.
 

Last edited by Prot; Apr 20, 2019 at 01:35 AM.
Reply
HD Forum Stories

The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders

story-0

Harley-Davidson Fat Boy Becomes a Dark, Decepticon-Inspired Custom

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Weirdest Harley-Davidsons Ever Sold to the Public

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Times Harley-Davidson Chucked Tradition Out the Window

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 02:30 PM
  #39  
Prot's Avatar
Prot
Thread Starter
|
Club Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,870
Likes: 17,966
From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Riders Club Member
Default

I started it up and loaded it in my trailer and dropped it off at Acadiana Custom Cycles. After I got all the ratchet straps off and rolled it out the trailer, I went to start the engine to ride it into the shop, I heard a popping noise that was it. No power at all no matter what position I put the ignition switch in. No lights, no nothing. It was running fine when I loaded it in the trailer. Pissed me off.

I went over what all I needed done and dropped the box of parts off with them. I asked them to fix whatever is wrong with nothing happening when I turn the ignition switch as well as change all oils/fluids. I told them to use Amsoil as I have good luck with it and last time I used Harley Synthethic which made me notice a little more mechanical noise in the engine which I do not like. They tried to talk to me about something called Red Line to use in the primary which looks like Pepto Bismol, but I told them that Amsoil works fine in this bike.

I told them to take .040" off the heads and with the gaskets I provided should end up being just right. I left them some print outs from night rider regarding how much material to take off as well as a table about cranking pressure. I showed them each part in the box and they were happy with my selection. They will get started on it when they can as they have a handful of bikes they are working on and on Monday he is going to bring the heads to get milled. Apparently he gets the machine work done elsewhere.

I felt nervous about it because I guess it's like dropping your kid off to summer camp or something. It started raining a couple of hours after I dropped it off, so I am not really missing any riding time. I sure hope this turns out good.
 
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 03:23 PM
  #40  
texashillcountry's Avatar
texashillcountry
Dirt don't hurt
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 21,066
Likes: 4,568
From: Haslet Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Prot
I started it up and loaded it in my trailer and dropped it off at Acadiana Custom Cycles. After I got all the ratchet straps off and rolled it out the trailer, I went to start the engine to ride it into the shop, I heard a popping noise that was it. No power at all no matter what position I put the ignition switch in. No lights, no nothing. It was running fine when I loaded it in the trailer. Pissed me off.
Sounds like a wire broke on your ignition switch.

It has happened to me a couple of times.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:15 AM.

story-0
Harley-Davidson Fat Boy Becomes a Dark, Decepticon-Inspired Custom

Slideshow: Killer Custom's latest build relies on styling changes rather than performance upgrades, giving the cruiser an entirely different personality.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 18:28:05


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Weirdest Harley-Davidsons Ever Sold to the Public

Slideshow: From military-inspired singles to scooters and three-wheel utility vehicles, these Harleys took the company far outside its comfort zone.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-02 18:34:10


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Times Harley-Davidson Chucked Tradition Out the Window

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson built its reputation on nostalgia, but every so often, the company took a hard left turn into the future.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-20 11:18:19


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

Slideshow: The bar-and-shield logo shows up on far more than motorcycles, some of the company's most unexpected products have nothing to do with riding.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 16:50:35


VIEW MORE
story-4
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: Not every Harley gets it right, but these are the ones that genuinely earned their reputation.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-15 14:23:21


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: From the troubled AMF years to modern misfires, these bikes earned reputations for reliability issues, questionable engineering, or disappointing performance.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-01 20:01:09


VIEW MORE
story-6
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

Slideshow: Killer Custom's "Jail Breaker" build focuses more on stance and visual aggression than mechanical overhaul.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-18 19:20:32


VIEW MORE
story-7
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

Slideshow: The Swiss custom shop has taken a Harley Softail and stretched it into something so long and low that it looks closer to a rolling sculpture than a conventional motorcycle.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-07 16:15:30


VIEW MORE
story-8
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's new RMCR concept revives the café racer formula with modern hardware-and it may be exactly the reset the company needs.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-04 12:23:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

Slideshow: A standard cruiser becomes an intricate metal canvas in the hands of a Swiss custom house known for pushing Harley-Davidson platforms far beyond their factory brief.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-02-24 18:19:44


VIEW MORE