O2 sensors
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From: poway
I suspect that you can but have not tried it.. You have to make sure that they are both narrow band, 2 wire types. All narrow band types operate pretty much the same.. Has nothing to do with Lambda / O2. All narrow band sensors sense O2 near stoichiometric.
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you have to match what the ecm is looking for. the lambda or wide band is an air/fuel ratio sensor the can give more precise measurements for the ecm to use (especially short term corrections). the narrow band sensor is less precise (not always the case) and you see these more on the after cat to check functionality. with these, the ecm is looking for h/l and window events. with these, if a thresh hold is past, the ecm corrects and is in a constant flip/flop type of operation.
will they interchange, probably so but it will not alter what the ecm is looking for. bad thing about the two wire sensors is if they cool off (no internal heater) the ecm will go open loop. remember the first cars with them, at idle, check eng light would come on and then go out with a little fuel added.
will they interchange, probably so but it will not alter what the ecm is looking for. bad thing about the two wire sensors is if they cool off (no internal heater) the ecm will go open loop. remember the first cars with them, at idle, check eng light would come on and then go out with a little fuel added.
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From: poway
you have to match what the ecm is looking for. the lambda or wide band is an air/fuel ratio sensor the can give more precise measurements for the ecm to use (especially short term corrections). the narrow band sensor is less precise (not always the case) and you see these more on the after cat to check functionality. with these, the ecm is looking for h/l and window events. with these, if a thresh hold is past, the ecm corrects and is in a constant flip/flop type of operation.
will they interchange, probably so but it will not alter what the ecm is looking for. bad thing about the two wire sensors is if they cool off (no internal heater) the ecm will go open loop. remember the first cars with them, at idle, check eng light would come on and then go out with a little fuel added.
will they interchange, probably so but it will not alter what the ecm is looking for. bad thing about the two wire sensors is if they cool off (no internal heater) the ecm will go open loop. remember the first cars with them, at idle, check eng light would come on and then go out with a little fuel added.
I think you are confusing wideband and narrow band. All HD stock sensors are narrow band.
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well max
this issue never came up!
the initial issue was bung size, answer, makes no diff
second issue was can he use newer sensors, answer, if it matches what the ecm is expecting to see!
third issue was he wanted to know lambda, answer, a/r controller that gives more precise control via a varying voltage output. the O2 style still has varying voltage but ecu is looking for h/l and window events and operates more so in a flip/flop mode.
fourth issue was can he use either, answer was probably. reason, both produce varying voltage (0>1) but the ecu can only do as programmed.
fifth issue, was hd mentioned by me, answer emphatically NO. the discussion was about sensors and NOT systems. yes since this is an hd forum, logic will follow but if you re-read my reply, it is generic in form.
this issue never came up!
the initial issue was bung size, answer, makes no diff
second issue was can he use newer sensors, answer, if it matches what the ecm is expecting to see!
third issue was he wanted to know lambda, answer, a/r controller that gives more precise control via a varying voltage output. the O2 style still has varying voltage but ecu is looking for h/l and window events and operates more so in a flip/flop mode.
fourth issue was can he use either, answer was probably. reason, both produce varying voltage (0>1) but the ecu can only do as programmed.
fifth issue, was hd mentioned by me, answer emphatically NO. the discussion was about sensors and NOT systems. yes since this is an hd forum, logic will follow but if you re-read my reply, it is generic in form.
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From: poway
well max
0.5. this issue never came up!
1 the initial issue was bung size, answer, makes no diff
2. second issue was can he use newer sensors, answer, if it matches what the ecm is expecting to see!
3. third issue was he wanted to know lambda, answer, a/r controller that gives more precise control via a varying voltage output. the O2 style still has varying voltage but ecu is looking for h/l and window events and operates more so in a flip/flop mode.
4.fourth issue was can he use either, answer was probably. reason, both produce varying voltage (0>1) but the ecu can only do as programmed.
5. fifth issue, was hd mentioned by me, answer emphatically NO. the discussion was about sensors and NOT systems. yes since this is an hd forum, logic will follow but if you re-read my reply, it is generic in form.
0.5. this issue never came up!
1 the initial issue was bung size, answer, makes no diff
2. second issue was can he use newer sensors, answer, if it matches what the ecm is expecting to see!
3. third issue was he wanted to know lambda, answer, a/r controller that gives more precise control via a varying voltage output. the O2 style still has varying voltage but ecu is looking for h/l and window events and operates more so in a flip/flop mode.
4.fourth issue was can he use either, answer was probably. reason, both produce varying voltage (0>1) but the ecu can only do as programmed.
5. fifth issue, was hd mentioned by me, answer emphatically NO. the discussion was about sensors and NOT systems. yes since this is an hd forum, logic will follow but if you re-read my reply, it is generic in form.
1 It does 18mm bungs can be used for botk narrow band and wideband sensors. The good thing is that narrow band on HDs typically has narrow band 2 wire sensors. Newer stuff is 4 wire (M8) and has a heater.
2. They have to be 2 wire tho 4 might work with additional wiring.
3. All sensors sense o2. Lambda is simply another way of looking at AFR. The main issue is that they are scaled differently.
4. All narrow band sensors put out the same voltage as far as I know.
5. no clue as to what you are saying. As far as I know the system is dealing with a narrow band sensor. Lambda vs AFR is only software not the sensor.
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have no earthly idea where you are coming from, cooning up the wrong tree.
as usual, i will agree to disagree, seems this is the only way to agree on anything.
as usual, search, search, and search the net for information. did you check out the international battery page, it had all the answers about the last issue. ever heard of "CCC".
computer command control, first to come out on gm, extensively trained by the factory, been to every school the companies i worked for offshore on their systems. personally i do not give a hoot what hd has or not have.
computers are STUPID!!! can only do what is told, and guess where it gets that info, duh, let you find out.
you are pulling things out the yangyang there never was brought up. nuff said, done deal.
as usual, i will agree to disagree, seems this is the only way to agree on anything.
as usual, search, search, and search the net for information. did you check out the international battery page, it had all the answers about the last issue. ever heard of "CCC".
computer command control, first to come out on gm, extensively trained by the factory, been to every school the companies i worked for offshore on their systems. personally i do not give a hoot what hd has or not have.
computers are STUPID!!! can only do what is told, and guess where it gets that info, duh, let you find out.
you are pulling things out the yangyang there never was brought up. nuff said, done deal.
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From: poway
have no earthly idea where you are coming from, cooning up the wrong tree.
as usual, i will agree to disagree, seems this is the only way to agree on anything.
as usual, search, search, and search the net for information. did you check out the international battery page, it had all the answers about the last issue. ever heard of "CCC".
computer command control, first to come out on gm, extensively trained by the factory, been to every school the companies i worked for offshore on their systems. personally i do not give a hoot what hd has or not have.
computers are STUPID!!! can only do what is told, and guess where it gets that info, duh, let you find out.
you are pulling things out the yangyang there never was brought up. nuff said, done deal.
as usual, i will agree to disagree, seems this is the only way to agree on anything.
as usual, search, search, and search the net for information. did you check out the international battery page, it had all the answers about the last issue. ever heard of "CCC".
computer command control, first to come out on gm, extensively trained by the factory, been to every school the companies i worked for offshore on their systems. personally i do not give a hoot what hd has or not have.
computers are STUPID!!! can only do what is told, and guess where it gets that info, duh, let you find out.
you are pulling things out the yangyang there never was brought up. nuff said, done deal.