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Old May 26, 2025 | 07:15 PM
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I have a Cobra Speedster Slashdown exhaust with 12mm bungs for narrow band O2 sensors.

I'm getting target tune with wide band sensors, which require an M18 x 1.5mm bung.

Is there any reason why I cant just drill out that 12mm bung and tap it to the right thread?

I saw a photo of an exhaust with both types of bung, and while I'm perfectly capable of welding in the larger bungs,
I cant think of a good reason why I would need to use the 12mm for anything in the future, so why not just save some work
and just drill them out?

Am I tripping?

For all I know this may well be the common practice and I'm asking a dumb question, but my experience with exhaust systems is limited...
 
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It depends on the wall thickness of the bungs. Harley sells a drill and tap kit for going to the wide band O2 sensors for it's Auto Tune module.
 
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Traditionally, the wide bands should be closer to the exhaust ports than the narrow bands. Also , the wide bands are bigger in general, and depending on the current location, they may have interference issues.
 

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Originally Posted by Slingshot383
It depends on the wall thickness of the bungs. Harley sells a drill and tap kit for going to the wide band O2 sensors for it's Auto Tune module.
If you can believe it, that kit is over $400! A drill, tap and tap handle. 14900105
 
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If you can believe it, that kit is over $400! A drill, tap and tap handle. 14900105
I just bought a 16.5mm drill bit, and a M18x1.5 Tap on amazon for $23.00, and already own tap handles

For an additional $377 I could have had the genuine Harley part. I'm sure I'll regret it for the rest of my life...
 
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Originally Posted by chunks
I just bought a 16.5mm drill bit, and a M18x1.5 Tap on amazon for $23.00, and already own tap handles

For an additional $377 I could have had the genuine Harley part. I'm sure I'll regret it for the rest of my life...
My understanding is that the pipes are extremely difficult to drill and tap. Something to do with the hardness of the metal. Curious to see how this goes.

At one time, didn't the V&H pipes come with a plug that the narrow bands screwed into, that you could simply unscrew in order to use wideband sensors? IDK if I am having a Mandela moment or if it was the way it was.
 
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Originally Posted by jake24lt
Traditionally, the wide bands should be closer to the exhaust ports than the narrow bands. Also , the wide bands are bigger in general, and depending on the current location, they may have interference issues.
This is why I was hoping to go the drill and tap method. At least can be reasonably assured the manufacturer gave some thought into interference when they designed the exhaust.
 
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Old May 27, 2025 | 07:04 AM
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My understanding is that the pipes are extremely difficult to drill and tap. Something to do with the hardness of the metal. Curious to see how this goes.

At one time, didn't the V&H pipes come with a plug that the narrow bands screwed into, that you could simply unscrew in order to use wideband sensors? IDK if I am having a Mandela moment or if it was the way it was.
The last V&H exhaust I installed was 16 years ago, and I just traded that in on Saturday so now I cant check. My memory doesnt extend back 16 years for a detail like that

This new set is a cobra exhaust, and it definitely doesnt have that option.

The Cobra pipes are 304 stainless which is definitely harder than carbon steel. I'm looking for some tips and tricks on line for drilling and tapping it cleanly.
 
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The last V&H exhaust I installed was 16 years ago, and I just traded that in on Saturday so now I cant check. My memory doesnt extend back 16 years for a detail like that

This new set is a cobra exhaust, and it definitely doesnt have that option.

The Cobra pipes are 304 stainless which is definitely harder than carbon steel. I'm looking for some tips and tricks on line for drilling and tapping it cleanly.
If you are going to try it, I would make sure you use good quality tap, not a no-name chinese tap. Trying to extract a broken tap is no fun at all.
 
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Originally Posted by jake24lt
If you are going to try it, I would make sure you use good quality tap, not a no-name chinese tap. Trying to extract a broken tap is no fun at all.
I'm generally not afraid to give anything new a shot even at some risk. I have a decently outfitted (hobbiest) metal shop and have done plenty of welding, but not on 304 Stainless. I've drilled and tapped a million holes, but again, not on 304 stainless. I'm thinking that my first go at either of these processes probably shouldnt be on my brand new Cobra exhaust.

As I see it, aside from throwing all caution to the winds and trying it myself, I have 4 options

a. pay a professional to drill and tap the bung
b: pay a professional to weld in a proper bung
c: stick with the stock O2 sensors
d: pick a different exhaust system
 

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