Stressin' out
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Road Warrior
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Stressin' out
Ok, so I'm [sm=deadhorse.gif] a bit, but I just received some older gen Samson BG Street Sweepers that I ordered from a wholesaler/distributor. My first mistake was being blinded by what seemed like such a good deal $wise - stupid me. I talked with a tech rep at Samson and he told me that the pipes have no baffles and will not accept any because of the tip design on the end of the exhaust. I have been talking with a local dyno tuner who I am going to (eventually) have dyno-tune my bike with a PCIII after I have pipes and H/F air cleaner installed. From what I have read, without baffles, I will loose low/mid-range torque and possibly cause damage to the engine, which is the stock 88CID. First, am I correct in this assumption? The Gen3 Samsons apparently have integrated baffles already in them. Second, it makes me sick to think about this, but, should I sell the pipes that I just got and order the Gen3's or is there other solutions to my dilemma? Thanks, a frutsrated fool! [&o]
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RE: Stressin' out
Yes, you are correct. You need some kind of baffle if you expect it to perform well on the street.
Check catalogs like J&P and Dennis Kirk. There are some universal baffles that might work for you. You could also try the washer & bolt "lollipop" trick; which may help slightly.
The bottom line is, you have the wrong pipes. You can try a few things and make them work. But they will never be the solid performers you'de like them to be. I would return them and get something else. If you can't return them, suck it up and buy another pair. You're going to do that eventually anyway. Might as well save a lot of time, money, and frustration and do it now.
Check catalogs like J&P and Dennis Kirk. There are some universal baffles that might work for you. You could also try the washer & bolt "lollipop" trick; which may help slightly.
The bottom line is, you have the wrong pipes. You can try a few things and make them work. But they will never be the solid performers you'de like them to be. I would return them and get something else. If you can't return them, suck it up and buy another pair. You're going to do that eventually anyway. Might as well save a lot of time, money, and frustration and do it now.
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stressin' out
Bob, thanks. I checked both J&P and Dennis Kirk and didn't see anything that looked like it would work. So, the pipes that I just got TODAY are in the classifieds here for sale.[&o]
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stressin' out
Gene, you may be correct. Maybe someone more mechanically inclined than myself can make something work or just want a loud pipe. If all else fails I guess they will be off to Ebay!
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stressin' out
The Samson rep told me about torque cones, which I may just try. My whole intent is to slightly improve power and torque and have better sound. I'm not trying to make my bike perform like a crotch-rocket, but I certainly don't want diminished hp/tq. I wish I had done my homework before rather than after my pipe purchase...from what I have read online, torque cones repel pulse waves returning to the engine, and baffles create the needed backpressure. Thanks for your input tripl8.
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stressin' out
I wouldn't throw good money after bad; chalk it up to experience. You can sell them on ebay for sure as there are a lot of people who just want noise and could care less about power. You should be able to cover at least half the cost.
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stressin' out
I am probably going to sleep on a decision for a few days. Monday I will call the shop that is going to dyon-tune my bike and consult with them about torque cones. If all else fails I guess I will "chalk it up to experience" and send them to ebay. Hopefully, these torque cones will salvage my hopes for the Samson's.