AMS Lifters?
for all Twin Cam Harley engines
From 1999 - 2001, Johnson-Hylift supplied lifters to Harley-Davidson...
Johnson-Hylift designed and produced a special piston and valve body
to work across the temp ranges and varying oil psi typically encountered
on an air-cooled engine such as the Harley. Since late 2001, HD has used
Delphi brand hydraulic lifters. That's why there was a Harley p/n change
from 18538-99 to 18538-99A and now 18538-99B. However, Delphi did not
use a 0.655" hi-volume / hi-pressure plunger piston and valve body
specifically designed for Harley as found in the Johnson-Hylift lifters.
Instead, Delphi essentially used a small block Chevy lifter. The main
difference is the Delphi lifter tries to boost the hydraulic psi by decreasing
the piston diameter, but this leads to a smaller high pressure oil reservoir.
The volume is too small and allows the lifter to clatter. That may be why
so many of the late model Twin-Cam bikes are noisy. After doing some
research AMS learned these Delphi version 18538-99B lifters are made too
small to stand up to Harley's heavy valve spring pressure. The oil reservoir
inside the lifter is too small. It doesn't hold enough oil to let the lifter bleed
off under normal use and still have a cushion of compressed oil to take up
valve train slack. Note: ALL lifters bleed off during operation and even
more-so when the bikes sits, engine off.
AMS went back to Johnson-Hylift's Chuck Hicks, the original
manufacturer / engineer of the earlier HD 18538-99 lifters, which
don't seem to be as noisy as those made by Delphi. Working with Chuck,
AMS modified a Johnson-Hylift lifter, to accept a very precise check valve
from an A900 Ford Mustang lifter. Then we used a large plunger that
allows more oil reservoir volume, and a ball seat that fits much tighter,
yet has an oil feed groove to allow more upper rocker box oiling. What
this does is give us a lifter with a much bigger internal oil reservoir that
will keep the lifter / pushrod from bleeding too much and bottoming out.
The bigger reservoir maintains a cushion of oil inside. The ball seat
ensures better top-end rocker oiling and better pushrod tip fit.... all of
which makes for a quieter lifter.
Our p/n for these AMS Hylift lifters is LIF2148. We recommend using stock
non-adjustable pushrods with them... however adjustable pushrods will work
too - but it does require getting the preload set within the .080" to .100" range.
There are a dozen other things that can cause "lifter" noise - it can be coil
bind, rocker to spring cap interference, spring cap to stems / guide length
interference, poor oiling, high lift cam profile causing loft, overheating motor,
wrong oil viscosity for ambient temperatures, aerated oil, low oil pressure,
gear drive backlash, etc. However if you're convinced you've eliminate all of
these things, and the lifters still rattle, then the next step is to try another set
of lifters, preferably the AMS LIF2148's with their larger oil reservoirs. Many
times this will lessen or eliminate the noise.
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I had noticed the noise coming from my valvetrain and the dealer, of course, said it was normal. I don't have to worry about that bikes valvetrain anymore since an illegal drunk mexican nearly killed me and my wife last month and of course totalled my 05 Nightrain. I will be installing these (Shubeck lifters) in the new bike when I do cams. The new bike time frame is contingent upon when I am able to walk/ride again.
I hope this helps.
On a different note, IMO this country is getting over-run w/illegals...something needs to be done (other than catering to em) as the problem will only get worse.
VicW.
As far as our injuries go, we were pretty damn lucky just to be alive. My wife got off relatively easy....a shattered left leg just above the ankle (compound fracture sticking out the front). They put rods inside the bones and pinned it all together. Aside from that shwe got the usual bumps, scrapes and bruises. I was her buffer. I got a broken right leg (just above the ankle in six places). They did surgery and put a titanium plate with 10 screws in it to hold it all back together. There is an 11th screw connecting the two bones together to hold the broken one in place while it heals. They will take that one out later after it heals. My left leg has a different type of break where the side of the bone is shattered but, lengthwise at least, the bone is still intact. this is very good since I can at least get around on my walker. I credit my Carolina boots with saving my legs (9"). My wife was wearing a pair of HD boots that are a much lower cut. Along with that I got 5 broken ribs, some scrapes, full body bruising and a pretty good concussion/minor skull fracture. If all that wasn't bad enough, Halifax medical Center sent me home after five days in ICU and said heal up. Six days later I was back in an ambulance headed to Florida Hospital Flagler because of severe pain/blood bressure drop (60 over 40). Four days later after numerous tests they decided to remove my spleen. All of this started back on the night of Aug 12th. We are healing and we will be back.
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