103 upgrade disappointing
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Let me try to clear things uP at my end.
First im not sugesting everyone get a wider lobe separation. I was just going on what the guy said about being disapointed. Sounded like he just was looking for a broader powerband so i was suggesting he go with a wider lobe separation. Im not saying go to a 110 lsa but maybe a 104lsa. If i came off as he needs a race cam my opologies.
Cam means nothing without a good tune i also reconize this.
Now as far as my build goes i have not yet found a cam for me. Yes the 204 cams still look tempting but the lift, EC degree, intake close and duration is not for me.
I looked at Woods like the lift but that is it his exhaust open is way to late for my rpm range and style piston i want.
I looked at Headquarters very nice cams though the lift is not right for me.
So i decided to custom grind a cam. My specs are not going to be published. If i fail well i tried. If i suceed i might post the specs, might not i already run a buisness and work for the state so my time limited.
I not only dable, i study. I like math and building engines. I dont have one vehical, atv, suv, truck, gas, or diesel that hasnt been tinkered with. Right now im building grandnational engine for a friend. This cam thing im doing is just on the back burner, just something to past the time. Besides i still have a warranty and no shed in the back yard sO building a harley engine is least of my worries.
But i just know everything will be put to the side And focus on the harley as soon as spring comes and go to yank back on the throttle and once again be completly dissatisfied with my stock engine. Lol cheers guys and thank you.
Oh yea i also know math isnt everything but it has never let me down. If it did then i missed something.
First im not sugesting everyone get a wider lobe separation. I was just going on what the guy said about being disapointed. Sounded like he just was looking for a broader powerband so i was suggesting he go with a wider lobe separation. Im not saying go to a 110 lsa but maybe a 104lsa. If i came off as he needs a race cam my opologies.
Cam means nothing without a good tune i also reconize this.
Now as far as my build goes i have not yet found a cam for me. Yes the 204 cams still look tempting but the lift, EC degree, intake close and duration is not for me.
I looked at Woods like the lift but that is it his exhaust open is way to late for my rpm range and style piston i want.
I looked at Headquarters very nice cams though the lift is not right for me.
So i decided to custom grind a cam. My specs are not going to be published. If i fail well i tried. If i suceed i might post the specs, might not i already run a buisness and work for the state so my time limited.
I not only dable, i study. I like math and building engines. I dont have one vehical, atv, suv, truck, gas, or diesel that hasnt been tinkered with. Right now im building grandnational engine for a friend. This cam thing im doing is just on the back burner, just something to past the time. Besides i still have a warranty and no shed in the back yard sO building a harley engine is least of my worries.
But i just know everything will be put to the side And focus on the harley as soon as spring comes and go to yank back on the throttle and once again be completly dissatisfied with my stock engine. Lol cheers guys and thank you.
Oh yea i also know math isnt everything but it has never let me down. If it did then i missed something.
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Let me try to clear things uP at my end.
First im not sugesting everyone get a wider lobe separation. I was just going on what the guy said about being disapointed. Sounded like he just was looking for a broader powerband so i was suggesting he go with a wider lobe separation. Im not saying go to a 110 lsa but maybe a 104lsa. If i came off as he needs a race cam my opologies.
Cam means nothing without a good tune i also reconize this.
Now as far as my build goes i have not yet found a cam for me. Yes the 204 cams still look tempting but the lift, EC degree, intake close and duration is not for me.
I looked at Woods like the lift but that is it his exhaust open is way to late for my rpm range and style piston i want.
I looked at Headquarters very nice cams though the lift is not right for me.
So i decided to custom grind a cam. My specs are not going to be published. If i fail well i tried. If i suceed i might post the specs, might not i already run a buisness and work for the state so my time limited.
I not only dable, i study. I like math and building engines. I dont have one vehical, atv, suv, truck, gas, or diesel that hasnt been tinkered with. Right now im building grandnational engine for a friend. This cam thing im doing is just on the back burner, just something to past the time. Besides i still have a warranty and no shed in the back yard sO building a harley engine is least of my worries.
But i just know everything will be put to the side And focus on the harley as soon as spring comes and go to yank back on the throttle and once again be completly dissatisfied with my stock engine. Lol cheers guys and thank you.
Oh yea i also know math isnt everything but it has never let me down. If it did then i missed something.
First im not sugesting everyone get a wider lobe separation. I was just going on what the guy said about being disapointed. Sounded like he just was looking for a broader powerband so i was suggesting he go with a wider lobe separation. Im not saying go to a 110 lsa but maybe a 104lsa. If i came off as he needs a race cam my opologies.
Cam means nothing without a good tune i also reconize this.
Now as far as my build goes i have not yet found a cam for me. Yes the 204 cams still look tempting but the lift, EC degree, intake close and duration is not for me.
I looked at Woods like the lift but that is it his exhaust open is way to late for my rpm range and style piston i want.
I looked at Headquarters very nice cams though the lift is not right for me.
So i decided to custom grind a cam. My specs are not going to be published. If i fail well i tried. If i suceed i might post the specs, might not i already run a buisness and work for the state so my time limited.
I not only dable, i study. I like math and building engines. I dont have one vehical, atv, suv, truck, gas, or diesel that hasnt been tinkered with. Right now im building grandnational engine for a friend. This cam thing im doing is just on the back burner, just something to past the time. Besides i still have a warranty and no shed in the back yard sO building a harley engine is least of my worries.
But i just know everything will be put to the side And focus on the harley as soon as spring comes and go to yank back on the throttle and once again be completly dissatisfied with my stock engine. Lol cheers guys and thank you.
Oh yea i also know math isnt everything but it has never let me down. If it did then i missed something.
With your time being so limited, I would think it to be in your best interest to latch on to a cam that already has shown proven results. Slam it in and go play!
You take risks with a custom grind, and less risk with a proven cam.
There is a proven one out there for every riding style.
Of course if you are one of those that are stuck in the mindset of "knowing more than those who have tried the cams",... well I got nuttin' for ya! LOL
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Originally Posted by marty442
I was running a K&N filter but it was 4 years old. Doc said it was holding the bike back and installed an SE filter. I was surprised because the K&N was supposed to be a high flow filter.
Looking back at this post I started feeling guilty about my choice of words. When I said I was surprised about the performance of my original K&N AC I was talking about that AC, and not about the fact that Doc decided to replace it. I didn't want to give the impression that I thought Doc was looking for ways to jack up the bill. Doc made the decision (and I concurred) after dynoing the bike with and without the filter. If you get to meet Doc, and many of you have, you'll know he is a straight up guy with the highest integrity. So mea culpa, just a poor choice of words by me.
Originally Posted by marty442
I was running a K&N filter but it was 4 years old. Doc said it was holding the bike back and installed an SE filter. I was surprised because the K&N was supposed to be a high flow filter.
Looking back at this post I started feeling guilty about my choice of words. When I said I was surprised about the performance of my original K&N AC I was talking about that AC, and not about the fact that Doc decided to replace it. I didn't want to give the impression that I thought Doc was looking for ways to jack up the bill. Doc made the decision (and I concurred) after dynoing the bike with and without the filter. If you get to meet Doc, and many of you have, you'll know he is a straight up guy with the highest integrity. So mea culpa, just a poor choice of words by me.
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Let us know how that works out for ya.
Meanwhile, don't diss us for our cam choices.
Meanwhile, don't diss us for our cam choices.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marty442
I was running a K&N filter but it was 4 years old. Doc said it was holding the bike back and installed an SE filter. I was surprised because the K&N was supposed to be a high flow filter.
Looking back at this post I started feeling guilty about my choice of words. When I said I was surprised about the performance of my original K&N AC I was talking about that AC, and not about the fact that Doc decided to replace it. I didn't want to give the impression that I thought Doc was looking for ways to jack up the bill. Doc made the decision (and I concurred) after dynoing the bike with and without the filter. If you get to meet Doc, and many of you have, you'll know he is a straight up guy with the highest integrity. So mea culpa, just a poor choice of words by me.
Originally Posted by marty442
I was running a K&N filter but it was 4 years old. Doc said it was holding the bike back and installed an SE filter. I was surprised because the K&N was supposed to be a high flow filter.
Looking back at this post I started feeling guilty about my choice of words. When I said I was surprised about the performance of my original K&N AC I was talking about that AC, and not about the fact that Doc decided to replace it. I didn't want to give the impression that I thought Doc was looking for ways to jack up the bill. Doc made the decision (and I concurred) after dynoing the bike with and without the filter. If you get to meet Doc, and many of you have, you'll know he is a straight up guy with the highest integrity. So mea culpa, just a poor choice of words by me.
I suppose that would not have worked real well if he was in the middle of a tune. Cleaning takes time and it has to dry well before re oiling.
We're not talking big money here either.
I'm not knocking Doc, it is a business man's duty to upsell a customer and being good at that makes one more successful.
It just struck me funny the way it was written the first time.
No doubt you made a good decision.
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That's what I was wondering.
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Sometimes there is good reason for certain paths not being so well traveled. Having cams ground to your own specs without knowing how different cams perform can get expensive. I did spend a little getting where I'm at but I'm happy with the results. 37's $228. 1.725 rockers $150. +4* sprocket $32. With a .541 lift and a 34*IVC I think I found the right setup for me.
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Sometimes there is good reason for certain paths not being so well traveled. Having cams ground to your own specs without knowing how different cams perform can get expensive. I did spend a little getting where I'm at but I'm happy with the results. 37's $228. 1.725 rockers $150. +4* sprocket $32. With a .541 lift and a 34*IVC I think I found the right setup for me.
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