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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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Wow, great thread (sarcasm) So what have we learned here? instead of answers that can be shared by others he got the "call me" first approach from a builder, then it somehow developed into a big cube build price war. So what else have we learned? The search engine is your friend as the mild build question has been beaten to death, what else? We learned through the disclosed pricing from one company that if you wanna play you gotta pay and from the other company's reluctance to disclose price that you probably even pay more there. Capitalism at it's finest!!!!
You want to upgrade your 88, read here and any other material you can get your hands on and find someone you trust that will build what YOU need, not what THEY think you need.
....looks like you added some quality information............
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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It sounds to me, from your original post, that your not wanting a dragster but a nice reliable machine. If you're going to leave it at an 88" then I would suggest an Andrews 21G cam set. Go ahead and get gear drives. It's a little more money but in the long run it's a lot of peace of mind. I run this cam in a 95" motor with minor porting and love it. My friend just did it in his 88 and just loves the way it woke the engine up. You can get cams that make more horsepower but for the real world it really makes torque down low where you spend 80 percent of your time. In the future if you need more then take your cylinders to a good machine shop and have them bored to some 95" pistons, maybe do a mild porting and add some bee hive springs with some spring loaded valve guide seals. This is a really reliable long distance build with enough torque to pull a trailer and a Baker DD6 speed!
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 05:09 AM
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Wow, great thread (sarcasm) So what have we learned here? instead of answers that can be shared by others he got the "call me" first approach from a builder, then it somehow developed into a big cube build price war. So what else have we learned? The search engine is your friend as the mild build question has been beaten to death, what else? We learned through the disclosed pricing from one company that if you wanna play you gotta pay and from the other company's reluctance to disclose price that you probably even pay more there. Capitalism at it's finest!!!!
You want to upgrade your 88, read here and any other material you can get your hands on and find someone you trust that will build what YOU need, not what THEY think you need.
Bob,
It is not a wonder at all that you(and Kevin) came to chime in, in defense of Randy.
I had already mentioned in a fashion, that this thread was a rolling advertisement, and took a 270* degree turn from it's original question.
Again, WILL NOT disclose pricing, but if you think it's more as you are insinuating, I'd re-think those thoughts in a big way, or perhaps that was just a way of trying to discredit.
I aplogize to the OP, for saying ANYTHING, about a 131", as it was only the fact, that we recently built one, for someone that lives in the same state as him. That's when things turned.

Now back to the OP's post.
If looking for something very economical, that'll show very good power, then the install, of an Andrews 26, and re-suface the heads to achieve 9.6 cr, along with a precision valve job, and some attention to the super-constricted exhaust port, to dump heat, and pick up hp.
That'll snap that 88" to attention.
If even more is what your looking for, then you can bore to either 95", or 98".
Just built this exact combo(98"/26 cam/headwork)for a client in Central Square, N.Y.
Happy to help.
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BVBOB
Wow, great thread (sarcasm) So what have we learned here? instead of answers that can be shared by others he got the "call me" first approach from a builder, then it somehow developed into a big cube build price war. So what else have we learned? The search engine is your friend as the mild build question has been beaten to death, what else? We learned through the disclosed pricing from one company that if you wanna play you gotta pay and from the other company's reluctance to disclose price that you probably even pay more there. Capitalism at it's finest!!!!
You want to upgrade your 88, read here and any other material you can get your hands on and find someone you trust that will build what YOU need, not what THEY think you need.
Actually, I tried to give an honest answer.

When guys start talking about staying with the crappy cam follwer setup, I give up.......when they eventually sufffer catastrophic failure and trash their motor, I'll just sigh and read the next post.

Again, 99-05 cam follower arrangements are ****.

When guys want to get serious, it starts with gear driven cams or the 06+ cam chain conversion (either one with TORRINGTON bearings). PERIOD.


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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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I agree with the gear drives as long as the pinion shaft runs no more than .003" TIR.
Torrington or Sonnax bears are a must as well.
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 04:46 PM
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Scott, good advice on the 26 stuff, not trying to defend or discredit anyone, just pointing out how these threads can drift and lose sight of the OP's request for info.
As far as the early cam arrangements being **** I have to agree with that, however I also see more and more of the late model stuff showing up trashed at lower mileage as well, not to the extent of the early stuff but enough to cause some concern, from what I have seen it has been heat related in every case. There is a company now producing a replacement shoe(shoe only) for the old style followers that is claimed to last 7 times that of the original, that could mean 30,000 or 100,000 miles in that case I guess. Very affordable I might add.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2011 | 05:44 AM
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bvbob---nice attempt to deflect your otherwise sharp and inappropriate comments ...........but you didn't fool anyone.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 04:12 PM
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Hmmm... Had to contemplate even replying to this as IMHO it is black and white. Let's look at the facts based upon just the posts here. No more, no less. Scott, your 1st post was advertising HC and telling the guy to call you for the info./work.(in other words, promoting your business.) Your 2nd post was also advertising your business with "the 131" build". Now, I went back and looked at the op's ?? and couldn't even begin to surmise that he was considering a 131" build. Did you think that from his post? KOC's 1st post was promoting you(HC), R&R Cycles, & GMR for businesses to go to for info./work. If you don't believe me, go back and read the posts. Here's where it gets interesting and hard for me to follow. Scott, you asked a DIRECT question to KOC's of the costs of R&R's 131". (Now, keep in mind here folks, HC was the first to promote his own business by bringing the 131" build he had done into the fold of this conversation, and then KOC's post also promoted his business with a Kudo). Randy manned-up and gave you the explicit figures you asked him for and in turn ASKED YOU what a build like that would cost thru you? And you come back with a retort of "I don't give out customers prices, you should ask them". If, again, you go back and look at the posts, I don't see where Randy mentioned any names. Do you? Now that reminds me of a speech I heard on TV yesterday regarding deficit reduction. ALL RHETORIC with NO SUBSTANTIAL FACTS!! You can go right on R&R's website and get prices. Looks like to me that R&R has absolutely nothing to hide. Can anyone get prices for complete engines on your website? Just stating the facts in the posts that were on here for everyone to read. Scott, not bashing your work or your business and surely hope "party" enjoys that 131" beast". But that 131" billett of R&R's is a thing of beauty and craftsmanship. If I go to a 131" it wouldn't be a contest who I would go with because of their products and superb customer service in standing behind their work and products instead of bashing other people here on forums. I guess when you are busy you don't have the time to do that. Have a great day Scott. JMHO....
 
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Scott, my post was regarding the original posters question about a build. Then your post, or maybe I should say solicitation or advertisement of your business. KOC's kudo to your business. Once again you stating about a 131" build you had done. Another solicitation or feather in your hat regarding Your business. KOC's comes back and mentions R&R's 131" builds just as an option to other 131" builds out there available. You ask him about price. He gives you price. He asks you what your price is. Your reply, "ask the customer". Now why is it you get a straight answer back and he gets a dead end, nothing comment back from you. Unless you are the only one here that can promote their business and voice their opinion and when another company chimes in you start the negative innuendos. Personally, I don't care about any conspiracy theories. I am speaking of this thread only and what you posted. Like I said GO BACK and READ THE POSTS!! It's in black and white. Once again, have a great day.
 
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