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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 10:14 AM
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Ok, its not urgent, but it got you in here! it's kinda urgent though as I want to get riding soon.

I have been doing some upgrades and while doing this 95 upgrade on an 01 RKC FI, I remembered I had gear driven cams in it. However this was done by a previous owner. I want/need to know what actual cams are in it. I am in the process of removing the gear cam drive but i am going to guess I need a gear puller. Am I correct? Also, if anyone can ID the gear drive set by the number and possibly tell me what gear cams are behind this, it could save me some aggravation! the numbers on the bottom of the center are 33-4271

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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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Update, using a mirror! yes, a mirror, i looked at the rear cam still inside the cam/crank area (in other words, didnt remove drive gears and cam plate still mounted, and saw these numbers on the rear cam, A272R. I dont see an Andrews 27 product line, which was my first hunch. any other ideas? I merely want to insure my cams are suitable (which I believe they are since we are going stock parts to stock parts), so clearances and compression ratios should be fine.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 01:17 PM
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Now come on, even I can see, peering through the gloom across the Atlantic, that there is an S&S trademark on the large gear. If that isn't a clue.......

There are not many makers of gear cams. All you have to do is start by looking at S&S's website and you can probably crack this yourself. If not, I suggest you get together as many of those numbers you can see and email S&S direct. In my experience they are very good at answering tech queries.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 03:01 PM
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All cam gears are made by Andrews for the aftermarket, including S&S. You will need a gear puller like a steering wheel puller to pull the pinion gear but the rear cam gear will not require pulling. Can't help with cam ID but not OEM hardware; aftermarket hardware.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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All done. called S&S with the numbers I found, and turns out they put the actual model number of the cams, in my case Andrews 26G, on the far inside end of the cam! He did say they are addressing a way to mark them where they can be seen. And to correct you, the S&S number I showed was for the drive cam, not the cams. they are 2 different parts that work together but can be utilized with other part numbers. So, I am glad I checked it out, replaced the o-rings while I was in there and buttoned it up. It wasnt as hard as I thought it was. on, and I cheated on removing the drive gear and crank gear, I used two bolts through the gear pushing a piece of metal i slid behind the gears to pop them off. they moved easily so I determined it wasnt going to hurt anything. why buy a gear puller for one time use and why waste valueable time running back and forth to get a loaner! just my two cents.
 

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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 05:05 PM
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When buttoning that up, make sure you set that Andrews 26 @ 9.6 cr.
That is where those want to run.
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Originally Posted by SgtDuckyBoy
All done. called S&S with the numbers I found, and turns out they put the actual model number of the cams, in my case Andrews 26G, on the far inside end of the cam! He did say they are addressing a way to mark them where they can be seen. And to correct you, the S&S number I showed was for the drive cam, not the cams. they are 2 different parts that work together but can be utilized with other part numbers. So, I am glad I checked it out, replaced the o-rings while I was in there and buttoned it up. It wasnt as hard as I thought it was. on, and I cheated on removing the drive gear and crank gear, I used two bolts through the gear pushing a piece of metal i slid behind the gears to pop them off. they moved easily so I determined it wasnt going to hurt anything. why buy a gear puller for one time use and why waste valueable time running back and forth to get a loaner! just my two cents.
Understood but SnS does not make cam gears; Andrews makes them for SnS.
 
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Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com
When buttoning that up, make sure you set that Andrews 26 @ 9.6 cr.
That is where those want to run.
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What do you mean? 'set that Andrews 26 @ 9.6cr'... how do i 'set' it? its a gear cam so where is a setting?
sorry to sound stupid, but I thought they are already 'set' based on the lobes.
the lobes cause the valves to be opened/closed long/short and at certain times, causing the cr. what am i missing? thanks for your help. i am new to this but learning a lot!
 
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Set it by working the heads or correct size head gasket
 
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Originally Posted by SgtDuckyBoy
What do you mean? 'set that Andrews 26 @ 9.6cr'... how do i 'set' it? its a gear cam so where is a setting?
sorry to sound stupid, but I thought they are already 'set' based on the lobes.
the lobes cause the valves to be opened/closed long/short and at certain times, causing the cr. what am i missing? thanks for your help. i am new to this but learning a lot!
Took you a while to respond to Scott's advice posted six months back. What Scott was referring to was static compression. Unless the heads were wroked by the previous owner when the cams were installed, you would need to pull the heads and mill to the volume needed to set static CR at about 9:1 now. A chamber volume of 82cc and a .030" head gasket would get you to 9.6:1. We are talking round numbers, your chambers would have to measured to know for sure how much milling is required.

You could check cranking compression and that should give you an idea of whether or not the heads were previously milled.
 
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