MSF Advanced Course
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From: SW Minnesota
The best thing about the Advanced Course, imo, is the fact that you take it on your own bike, instead of the little training bikes furnished in the basic course. Our biggest problem, in rural Minnesota, was finding enough riders to offer a course. Our basic courses were often booked months in advance (they were required for riders under the age of 18), but we had few takers for the advanced course, which was, well, much more advanced.
I, too, don't understand the animosity that showed up earlier on this thread.
I, too, don't understand the animosity that showed up earlier on this thread.
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From: St. Clair Co., MO
Is the Advanced class any different than the Experienced Rider class? Took the ERC on base in Germany years ago. Good stuff, but I took a much higher level German riding course & would like to be able to find something like that here.
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The classroom focus for the ARC is aimed to help you gain insight to the decisions you make and the voices you listen to. The Exercises for the ARC are completely different. The speeds are higher. The lean angles are "as much as you choose." The combinations of inputs relate to real world situations. One that people have the most challenge with is the "Stop & Evade" maneuver. Braking in turns is also examined, along with more maximum braking practice. Swerves are more pronounced.
MSF no longer has a specification for how much experience you need to have when taking the ARC from the BRC, though some states or sites may have their own recommendations. You DO need to be intimately familiar with the bike you're riding though. Take the class, learn from it, and enjoy motorcycling even more than before! It may be the next level training course you are looking for, definitely more advanced than the ERC/BRC2.
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As you know, the ERC (aka BRC2) has many of the same exercises as the BRC plus one added exercise, only you use your own bike on the range.
The classroom focus for the ARC is aimed to help you gain insight to the decisions you make and the voices you listen to. The Exercises for the ARC are completely different. The speeds are higher. The lean angles are "as much as you choose." The combinations of inputs relate to real world situations. One that people have the most challenge with is the "Stop & Evade" maneuver. Braking in turns is also examined, along with more maximum braking practice. Swerves are more pronounced.
MSF no longer has a specification for how much experience you need to have when taking the ARC from the BRC, though some states or sites may have their own recommendations. You DO need to be intimately familiar with the bike you're riding though. Take the class, learn from it, and enjoy motorcycling even more than before! It may be the next level training course you are looking for, definitely more advanced than the ERC/BRC2.
The classroom focus for the ARC is aimed to help you gain insight to the decisions you make and the voices you listen to. The Exercises for the ARC are completely different. The speeds are higher. The lean angles are "as much as you choose." The combinations of inputs relate to real world situations. One that people have the most challenge with is the "Stop & Evade" maneuver. Braking in turns is also examined, along with more maximum braking practice. Swerves are more pronounced.
MSF no longer has a specification for how much experience you need to have when taking the ARC from the BRC, though some states or sites may have their own recommendations. You DO need to be intimately familiar with the bike you're riding though. Take the class, learn from it, and enjoy motorcycling even more than before! It may be the next level training course you are looking for, definitely more advanced than the ERC/BRC2.
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From: Sandy Eggo's North County
That would be cool. I did the German Motor Club's bike safety course & it was pretty intense. A LOT of time on the bike. High & low speed drills. Locking the front at 45+, evasive drills, riding in tiny circles, the whole bit. Instructor even chalk-striped our tires & challenged us to wear it all off in the traffic circle. Very physical & challenging. Good stuff.
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