Oh good lord. Now we're down to bicycles ridden by kids?
Look, counter-steering is simple physics. That is all it is.

 

Removed as OP has a learning disabilty

 

 

That is not how we learn to ride a bike. After we take a few physics classes that is how we learn to do it.

When we start to ride a bicycle we learn that the bike falls to the left when we make a right turn, yes. But we don't learn, on our own, to turn the wheel in the opposite direction to compensate for the bike falling. We don't learn that because it is counter-intuitive to most of us. Instead, what we learn to do is to lean first in the direction of the turn before we make the turn. That is the intuitive thing to do.

 

You heard it here first guys. Mikelikesbikes.

Now, how do you feel about dump trucks?

 

I didn't post the video to say that's how we learn to ride a bike.


Motorcycles are maneuvered using countersteering. Not body weight, not footpegs, not mental telepathy. Countersteering. The example of a bicycle was given because you can also countersteer a bicycle.


Some people like to argue. So I'll add one more controversial statement before I leave this thread: The sky is blue.

 

Let me get this straight. You posted a video about a bicycle to prove that motorcycles are maneuvered using countersteering.

If a motorcycle is going slow enough it can be maneuvered by shifting body weight. Which, of course, means that you have to slow down in a curve and how much you slow down in the curve depends on the curvature of the curve.

What your video of the bicycle shows is that a bicycle CAN be maneuvered using counter steering but it does not have to be maneuvered using counter-steering.

 

You know what your posts show?

 

Mike, this is getting silly.
False. I posted the video of the countersteering bicycle because it was asserted that a bicycle cannot be maneuvered with countersteering. Clearly, it can.

What are we talking about here? RIDING a motorcycle, or putting around at 5-10mph? With both a bicycle and a motorcycle, you can turn them left to go left, turn right to go right, when going slow. Once you get up to speed and you are riding, you countersteer to turn them. It is very subtle, many people may not even realize they are doing it. The bicycle video exaggerated the countersteering to illustrate it. In reality, very little press on the bar is needed, as someone said, you can do it with a finger.

If you think you are steering your motorcycle at speed (I'll just throw out a number, 25mph and up) without countersteering, then there's a disconnect here which I will no longer try and explain.

Is it possible to alter the direction of a bike at speed without countersteering? As the Keith Code video shows, you can flop and bounce around violently and it will marginally affect where the bike is going. It's not fast, efficient, and that's just not how bikes are steered. I suppose you could also put your foot down on the ground and push off to change direction too.

I just went back and re-read your first post in this thread. It's a head scratcher. Countersteering a bike is so natural and intuitive, most people don't even realize they are doing it.

When you apply forward pressure to the right handgrip, the front wheel starts to turn to the left. Because moto tires are round, unlike car tires that are flat, the weight on the front wheel is shifted to the outside edge of the tire, and the wheel immediately "falls" or leans in the direction opposite of where it just started to turn. Hence the name countersteering. In this example, the wheel falls to the right and the bike now leans to the right, and that's where it goes.

In simple terms, push right, go right.

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It's harder to counter steer a Sportster than it is a Street Glide.

There.

I said it.