Counter-steering
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Mike, the point of the demonstration was to show that one must continue to apply pressure on the bar in a curve to maintain the curve. As you already know, you do your braking before entering the curve. Once in the curve, you maintain or even moderately increase speed. It sounds like you're saying one should slow down in a curve. Are you? That's not a good idea.
One reason for this, which I don't think has been mentioned yet, is weight distribution. When the bike is riding at an even speed on level ground, the weight is distributed between the wheels, right? Now, let's say you suddenly hit the brakes. What just happened? The majority of your weight has been transferred to the front wheel, and therefore you are depending on the front wheel for most of your traction. Traction is key, lose traction, you lose control. When you enter a turn, and then then gradually roll on throttle, you are exerting pressure/downforce on the back tire, which keeps traction on the rear. On many bikes (like mine) the back tire is fatter than the front, which is another reason to do this.
What you saw in my video wasn't some dangerous stunt to be executed only on the track. LOL! Honestly, I would expect some riders to say they curve like that all the time. (It's fun...you should try it). If you think what I did in that video is dangerous, then you really shouldn't ride a motorcycle.
You continue to analyze this like you're in a classroom at a chalkboard. I think you're totally missing the point of riding. Just like you missed the point of the video.
One reason for this, which I don't think has been mentioned yet, is weight distribution. When the bike is riding at an even speed on level ground, the weight is distributed between the wheels, right? Now, let's say you suddenly hit the brakes. What just happened? The majority of your weight has been transferred to the front wheel, and therefore you are depending on the front wheel for most of your traction. Traction is key, lose traction, you lose control. When you enter a turn, and then then gradually roll on throttle, you are exerting pressure/downforce on the back tire, which keeps traction on the rear. On many bikes (like mine) the back tire is fatter than the front, which is another reason to do this.
What you saw in my video wasn't some dangerous stunt to be executed only on the track. LOL! Honestly, I would expect some riders to say they curve like that all the time. (It's fun...you should try it). If you think what I did in that video is dangerous, then you really shouldn't ride a motorcycle.
You continue to analyze this like you're in a classroom at a chalkboard. I think you're totally missing the point of riding. Just like you missed the point of the video.
On a track, when you make a mistake, you do not die. On the street, you very well may die.
I do not think that most Harley drivers should be riding that way, except for maybe the Buell or Sportster.
BTW, I forgot to tell you that you bike sounds really good to me.
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What happened to "we"?
I seriously doubt it. I learned ride on the dirt trails around my house when I was a kid. Locking up my tires was part of riding, especially the back tire. It is impossible for me to even begin to count how many times I have used a controlled skid to negotiate a trail or manage a descent. On the road, locking up your tire can get you a ride in an ambulance.
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"We"? lol
What happened to "we"?
I seriously doubt it. I learned ride on the dirt trails around my house when I was a kid. Locking up my tires was part of riding, especially the back tire. It is impossible for me to even begin to count how many times I have used a controlled skid to negotiate a trail or manage a descent. On the road, locking up your tire can get you a ride in an ambulance.
What happened to "we"?
I seriously doubt it. I learned ride on the dirt trails around my house when I was a kid. Locking up my tires was part of riding, especially the back tire. It is impossible for me to even begin to count how many times I have used a controlled skid to negotiate a trail or manage a descent. On the road, locking up your tire can get you a ride in an ambulance.
Ok, you locked your wheels up on a dirt bike, I locked my wheels up on a WideGlide. This is not something to be proud of. Based on your description, I guess I know how to do a controlled skid. It must have come natural because no one taught me how to do it!
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Getting on a bike and leaving your driveway is dangerous in some peoples' minds.
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Me and a few friends out riding dangerously, getting close to the line, not braking sufficiently before curves, countersteering, and ripping the tags off of matresses. Good stuff starts at 4:30.
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Me and a few friends out riding dangerously, getting close to the line, not braking sufficiently before curves, countersteering, and ripping the tags off of matresses. Good stuff starts at 4:30.
https://youtu.be/t2CHZivuquY?t=4m30s
https://youtu.be/t2CHZivuquY?t=4m30s