Counter-steering
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I said basically without. I am hardly leaning at all. I just press DOWN, not forward, on the handlebar.
If you go back and read the first post that started this thread you will find that the way I have been counter-steering is by pressing down on my handlebars, not forward. You can tip the bike that way and once tipped you can shift your weight and lean it a enough. But I had to slow down to 50mph to do it.
If you go back and read the first post that started this thread you will find that the way I have been counter-steering is by pressing down on my handlebars, not forward. You can tip the bike that way and once tipped you can shift your weight and lean it a enough. But I had to slow down to 50mph to do it.
You are so going to die.
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All I can say is try it yourself. You will see that it will tip the bike in the direction you want to go. Because of the geometry of the rider and the shape of the bars, pressing down does have a component of force in the forward direction. Actually, as I think about it, it is probably a good way to teach the beginning student, because it will keep the student from accidentally applying to much forward force to the bar when they are learning.
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What you are describing is no different than shifting your weight: you are not counter-steering. Pressing down may get the job done, but horribly inefficiently and purely on accident by counter-steering without knowing you are doing it. If you do it right, you do not have to shift your weight at all and you can steer through a turn at highways speeds with just 2 fingers on the bars.
You are so going to die.
You are so going to die.
I think I'm unsubscribing to this thread. I'm gonna go do something a little bit more productive instead. Like bang my head against a brick wall......
Peace out.
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I said basically without. I am hardly leaning at all. I just press DOWN, not forward, on the handlebar.
If you go back and read the first post that started this thread you will find that the way I have been counter-steering is by pressing down on my handlebars, not forward. You can tip the bike that way and once tipped you can shift your weight and lean it enough. But I had to slow down to 50mph to do it.
If you go back and read the first post that started this thread you will find that the way I have been counter-steering is by pressing down on my handlebars, not forward. You can tip the bike that way and once tipped you can shift your weight and lean it enough. But I had to slow down to 50mph to do it.
You sir, are just a dumbass! There are over 40 pages of people trying to explain counter-steering to you, and you continue to revert back to some of your original spewage like this. And then, to top it off, you try to argue the points. That's like trying to put sprinkles on top of vomit so it won't taste so bad.
Which way do you think the bike's neck bearing will ALLOW the fork/wheel/handlebar to MOVE? Is it down/up? Or could it be that the neck allows the bar to move AROUND the bearing?
That's the direction you should be pressing - FOWARD. What kind of idiot would keep saying "I press DOWN to counter-steer?"
Just get out and RIDE some more - it will come to you with enough miles.
However, I'll admit that I'm being entertained.
John
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All I can say is try it yourself. You will see that it will tip the bike in the direction you want to go. Because of the geometry of the rider and the shape of the bars, pressing down does have a component of force in the forward direction. Actually, as I think about it, it is probably a good way to teach the beginning student, because it will keep the student from accidentally applying to much forward force to the bar when they are learning.
The rider needs to be in full control of their bike at all times. There should be no such thing as "accidentally applying too much forward force to the bar". New riders tend to grip their bars too tight. They tend to roll their wrists forward on the throttle. But, they don't accidentally push forward: it is an unnatural act. Rides should have a relaxed grip on the bars, their shoulders relaxed, and their wrists in a straight line along their arms to their grip on the bars. When the time comes to negotiate a turn, their should be gentle forward pressure on the bars.
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You sir, are just a dumbass! There are over 40 pages of people trying to explain counter-steering to you, and you continue to revert back to some of your original spewage like this. And then, to top it off, you try to argue the points. That's like trying to put sprinkles on top of vomit so it won't taste so bad.
Which way do you think the bike's neck bearing will ALLOW the fork/wheel/handlebar to MOVE? Is it down/up? Or could it be that the neck allows the bar to move AROUND the bearing?
That's the direction you should be pressing - FOWARD. What kind of idiot would keep saying "I press DOWN to counter-steer?"
Just get out and RIDE some more - it will come to you with enough miles.
However, I'll admit that I'm being entertained.
John
Which way do you think the bike's neck bearing will ALLOW the fork/wheel/handlebar to MOVE? Is it down/up? Or could it be that the neck allows the bar to move AROUND the bearing?
That's the direction you should be pressing - FOWARD. What kind of idiot would keep saying "I press DOWN to counter-steer?"
Just get out and RIDE some more - it will come to you with enough miles.
However, I'll admit that I'm being entertained.
John
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I'm coming back for one more reply and then I'm done with this:
Thank you for saying what just about everyone has (I'm pretty sure) been thinking all along.....
Yeah. I caught that. Not the best example of staying on topic......
Later, amigos.......
You sir, are just a dumbass! There are over 40 pages of people trying to explain counter-steering to you, and you continue to revert back to some of your original spewage like this. And then, to top it off, you try to argue the points. That's like trying to put sprinkles on top of vomit so it won't taste so bad.
Which way do you think the bike's neck bearing will ALLOW the fork/wheel/handlebar to MOVE? Is it down/up? Or could it be that the neck allows the bar to move AROUND the bearing?
That's the direction you should be pressing - FOWARD. What kind of idiot would keep saying "I press DOWN to counter-steer?"
Just get out and RIDE some more - it will come to you with enough miles.
However, I'll admit that I'm being entertained.
John
Which way do you think the bike's neck bearing will ALLOW the fork/wheel/handlebar to MOVE? Is it down/up? Or could it be that the neck allows the bar to move AROUND the bearing?
That's the direction you should be pressing - FOWARD. What kind of idiot would keep saying "I press DOWN to counter-steer?"
Just get out and RIDE some more - it will come to you with enough miles.
However, I'll admit that I'm being entertained.
John
Later, amigos.......
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I am sorry guitarfish, you demonstrated why your method of continuous counter-steer without slowing down is dangerous on the street. That method is for the track not the street. That is why the MSF does not teach it I suspect.