Counter-steering
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Ron was the "Expert" who showed up and knew everything about riding/braking and told everyone we knew nothing and he knew everything ... Like using both brakes was unnecessary and the only brake needed was the rear. He was even better than the Officers who rode the Competitively ... Just ask him. :>(
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From: poway
So far what I'm getting here, the definition of counter steer is nothing more than simply balancing your motorcycle.. Going straight down, the ride is constantly maintaining balance, hence counter-steering.
For me the definition of counter steer is / was which way you had the wheel pointed from center. If the wheel is pointed in the opposite direction of center from the direction of the turn, the rider is counter-steering. With that definition, you only counter steer going into a turn and if the rear wheel is drifting to the point your wheel is no longer turned into the turn (turned out). you are counter steering.
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From: poway
For me this is counter-steer as the wheel is different then the direction of travel from center. In the picture, the rear tire is sliding and the rider is counter-steering to keep his line. He is is likely adjusting the steering (front wheel) to maintain balance but I don't consider that part "counter-steering". It's simply balancing.
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Open an account, ask some basic question that can be answered with a simple search, and then commence to stir the pot and answer your own question. In fact, I think he started another thread where he asked a question in the title, then answered his own question in post 1.
Maybe it's one of those scams where an established online identity has value to companies trying to sell items on an online forum. Maybe Mike is a retard in a group home. Maybe Mike is dying in a hospital, and living out his last days discussing and debating things he wish he would have done. Perhaps Mike is a bullied adolescent, escaping reality by pretending to be an educated adult on a forum of what he perceives are "real men".
Or maybe a combination of the all the above. Regardless, I love seeing Mike reply, in a serious tone, to blatantly sarcastic comments. It makes me lean (or counter lean) toward teenager, or stunted young adult. Would an actual, normal adult motorcycle rider ask and reply similarly? Didn't we have something similar a few months back.
Personality profiles are fun.
Maybe it's one of those scams where an established online identity has value to companies trying to sell items on an online forum. Maybe Mike is a retard in a group home. Maybe Mike is dying in a hospital, and living out his last days discussing and debating things he wish he would have done. Perhaps Mike is a bullied adolescent, escaping reality by pretending to be an educated adult on a forum of what he perceives are "real men".
Or maybe a combination of the all the above. Regardless, I love seeing Mike reply, in a serious tone, to blatantly sarcastic comments. It makes me lean (or counter lean) toward teenager, or stunted young adult. Would an actual, normal adult motorcycle rider ask and reply similarly? Didn't we have something similar a few months back.
Personality profiles are fun.
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From: Driftless Area
Maybe he should just ride facing backwards. Then, nothing is "counter-steer".
After he goes 50 feet and dies, we can go back to important things, like gas caps and 3-piece patches.
After he goes 50 feet and dies, we can go back to important things, like gas caps and 3-piece patches.
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I don't disagree. There are a lot of forces at work that influence the angle of the lean, but we were talking only about counter-steering.
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