Counter-steering
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On my ride home yesterday...
https://youtu.be/SlYtDFqE4z4
https://youtu.be/SlYtDFqE4z4
Can you please tell me how fast you were going when you were taking the turn at the start of your video at the time I have fast forwarded to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlYt...utu.be#t=3m20s
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Please do not misinterpret what I am going to say. I really do appreciate your video.
You came really close to the yellow line at that point in your turn.
I have absolutely no doubt in the world that it is FUN to take a turn that way, but it is not safe, in my opinion, to take a turn that way on the street. (Unless it is early Sunday morning and no traffic!) That way of taking the turn, by not reducing your speed and having a constant countersteer through the turn is for the track.
There are at least two ways (three if you use keiths method) to take a curve...
1) Not reduce your speed and apply enough continuous pressure to the inside bar(continuous counter-steer) to keep the bike in your lane.
2)Reduce your speed before the turn, momentary counter-steer and then accelerate through the curve. (Look, Lean and Roll)
The second way is the way I believe the MSF teaches it. The second way is for the street. The first way is for the track.
The problem that I have been trying to figure out, and I believe I have figured out (with your help and others) is how do I take these very gently curves on the highway, at highway speeds, without slowing down?
The curves on the highway are gentle enough that if I slow down, to say 50 mph, I can take the curve basically without any counter-steer at all. But at highway speeds (70-75mph) I will have to apply a constant countersteer, ie. use method 1 above, if I do not want to slow down to take that curve. And that is what I am going to do. There is only one place I can practice that, and that is on the highway, at highway speeds. And this Saturday morning, I will go and do it.
You came really close to the yellow line at that point in your turn.
I have absolutely no doubt in the world that it is FUN to take a turn that way, but it is not safe, in my opinion, to take a turn that way on the street. (Unless it is early Sunday morning and no traffic!) That way of taking the turn, by not reducing your speed and having a constant countersteer through the turn is for the track.
There are at least two ways (three if you use keiths method) to take a curve...
1) Not reduce your speed and apply enough continuous pressure to the inside bar(continuous counter-steer) to keep the bike in your lane.
2)Reduce your speed before the turn, momentary counter-steer and then accelerate through the curve. (Look, Lean and Roll)
The second way is the way I believe the MSF teaches it. The second way is for the street. The first way is for the track.
The problem that I have been trying to figure out, and I believe I have figured out (with your help and others) is how do I take these very gently curves on the highway, at highway speeds, without slowing down?
The curves on the highway are gentle enough that if I slow down, to say 50 mph, I can take the curve basically without any counter-steer at all. But at highway speeds (70-75mph) I will have to apply a constant countersteer, ie. use method 1 above, if I do not want to slow down to take that curve. And that is what I am going to do. There is only one place I can practice that, and that is on the highway, at highway speeds. And this Saturday morning, I will go and do it.
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 19, 2016 at 09:57 AM.
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I know the road well, I ride it frequently. I purposely took the turn faster than normal to illustrate the point about pressing on the bar.
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If you go back and read the first post that started this thread you will find that the way I have been counter-steering is by pressing down on my handlebars, not forward. You can tip the bike that way and once tipped you can shift your weight and lean it enough. But I had to slow down to 50mph to do it.