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I learned something very valuable - that it is very interesting how stubborn people can be.
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Sanjuro
I have some help in maintaining my stubbornness. Here it is again....
However, I will say this, it is for "Perfect Corner", which may not exist in the real world, since all curves we encounter on the roads have changing radius.
I am posting this again because obviously, some of you guys just don't get it.
BTW, this is a really fun way to take a curve.
Notice the increasing throttle. This means you accelerate right after you counter-steer.
Surprisingly, wikipedia has a good explanation and a picture. The picture shows the "perfect corner".
As others have mentioned (including myself) counter-steering is a momentary steering of the motorcycle counter to the desired direction. During the turn itself, there is no counter-steering.
The momentary counter-steer to the left initiates the "stable lean". You stay in the "stable lean" until you decide to exit the curve. You do not counter-steer during the "stable lean".
The Perfect Corner
If you are racing on a track, you may not enter into a "stable lean". Rather, you might counter-steer in the turn, to increase your lean angle, in order to decrease the radius of the turn. By decreasing the radius of the turn you negotiate the turn faster because you travel a shorter distance at a higher speed.
In the first post of this thread, the OP asks, "What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?"
The handlebars can only move along the axis they're mounted on. On most normal bikes that means the grip on each side can either be pulled towards you or pushed away from you. But the OP, who says he has owned 7 bikes and took the MSF class "years ago," is confused, saying, "The way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me." He only figured this out because "I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity."
I'm making a big leap here, but it sounds like on your previous 6 bikes you were pushing down on something that only goes forward & back, and saying it was working for you.
After the week that this thread has been going on, you have argued with, disputed with, picked apart, minimized and dismissed virtually everyone who has tried to help you. Now however, you are correcting and informing the group here with your knowledge of countersteering, which you acquired from a Wikipedia article. (And have reposted about 5 times now). And a few still shots of sport bikes.
Originally Posted by MikerR1
Let me ask you this? If you did not keep the pressure on the bars, as you say you do, what would happen?
This was already answered in this thread, and not by me. Most motorcycle riders already know the answer, and not because they read it online.
Originally Posted by MikerR1
This kind of misinformation is what caused this thread to go on for so long.
Originally Posted by MikerR1
And you are one of main reasons it went on so long because of your mis-information.
Originally Posted by MikerR1
There is some really good information in this thread, that is why it got so many hits.
Originally Posted by guitarfish;15604964
The handlebars can only move along the axis they're mounted on. On most normal bikes that means the grip on each side can either be pulled towards you or pushed away from you. But the OP, who says he has owned 7 bikes and took the MSF class [COLOR=darkred
"years ago,"[/COLOR] is confused, saying, "The way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me." He only figured this out because "I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity."
I'm making a big leap here, but it sounds like on your previous 6 bikes you were pushing down on something that only goes forward & back, and saying it was working for you.
After the week that this thread has been going on, you have argued with, disputed with, picked apart, minimized and dismissed virtually everyone who has tried to help you. Now however, you are correcting and informing the group here with your knowledge of countersteering, which you acquired from a Wikipedia article. (And have reposted about 5 times now). And a few still shots of sport bikes.
This was already answered in this thread, and not by me. Most motorcycle riders already know the answer, and not because they read it online.
Get on your bike and try to push your handlebars forward. Please report back to me. Unless you have elevated drag bars you are going to be pushing down on those handlebars, unless you change your riding position like the fellow in this photograph shows. Look at his right elbow. After I road my bike the other day and realized you can't just push your handlebars "forward" because you sit way above them, I realized why the rider has taken that position. He is in that position so he can get leverage to push his handlebars forward! If he did not assume that position he would not be able to push his handler bar forward!
BTW, I asked you twice to comment on this and you still have not done that.
Call me crazy, but when I'm in middle of a turn and I stop applying input to the bars, the bike will straighten itself out. The rake and trail are designed for this. Like a vehicle when you let go of the steering wheel, it will straighten itself out. The caster of the alignment is designed for this.
Good lord, how did I get involved in this?
The OP's troll bait is good stuff indeed. Managed to keep this pointless circle jerk going for over 300 posts.
If he is indeed serious, one wonders how he even manages to walk. Deciding which muscle groups to use, and in what order. What angle to hold the feet at to avoid dragging them on the ground, etc. Must be pure torture for him.
Get on your bike and try to push your handlebars forward. Please report back to me. Unless you have elevated drag bars you are going to be pushing down on those handlebars, unless you change your riding position like the fellow in this photograph shows. Look at his right elbow. After I road my bike the other day and realized you can't just push your handlebars "forward" because you sit way above them, I realized why the rider has taken that position. He is in that position so he can get leverage to push his handlebars forward! If he did not assume that position he would not be able to push his handler bar forward!
BTW, I asked you twice to comment on this and you still have not done that.
Ummm, I have 12 inch ape hangers and absolutely push mine forward....just an fyi....as do a LOT of the riders on this forum....the whole statement of "Push Forward", "Push Down" "push whatever effing direction you want" is just saying to apply pressure on the inside bar in the direction you are turning....quit being so literal and go out and ride....this is why you sound so damn ignorant in the posts....
Ummm, I have 12 inch ape hangers and absolutely push mine forward....just an fyi....as do a LOT of the riders on this forum....the whole statement of "Push Forward", "Push Down" "push whatever effing direction you want" is just saying to apply pressure on the inside bar in the direction you are turning....quit being so literal and go out and ride....this is why you sound so damn ignorant in the posts....
Guess what, those Ape Hangers might be the reason you have to keep so much pressure on the bars. How wide are those ape hangers? Also at 12" you are reaching up are you not?
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Get on your bike and try to push your handlebars forward. Please report back to me.
I rode my bike 55 miles to work this morning...and 140 miles on Saturday...and both times I was messing around with my handlebars wonder how on God's green earth someone could think the things you think and post the things you post. That said, I don't push down on my bars, I push forward. (Not me btw, just a random pic).
Originally Posted by MikerR1
BTW, I asked you twice to comment on this and you still have not done that.
I did comment on it. I don't know what you expect me to say. It's a still shot, as someone else mentioned, we don't know what's going on before or after the pic. Kinda like a pic of the grassy knoll.
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