Oh so accurate a statement.
Counter-steering
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Well if Keith is as good as you say he is then he will agree with me because I am proof that it can be done if you go slow enough relative to the curvature of curve.
I am not arguing that it should be done my way. I am actually arguing that I should be countersteering in those curves and I fully intend to do it. Looking forward to it actually.
Here's your problem~ Using your technique, once you commit to a turn, you can not quickly adjust your line to avoid debris or whatever. You also don't have the capability to utilize one of the largest safety strategies in motorcycling. That would be the SWERVE.
The swerve can be a life saving skill, just like braking. This is why we stress this skill in class. Heavily.
Every RiderCoach I know that works with students in the classroom and on the range, strives to help students acquire this skill.
Oddly, dirtbike riders have a tough time with this as they mostly ride tracks where it's the same thing, lap after lap. They don't need to be able to adjust their line in a split second. They can't tolerate evasive maneuvers at all. Heck, they use target fixation as a "tool!" (We can use it also, but that's another thread.)
Yes, it's that important, and you don't seem to have it. You need it.
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Don't you think you are increasing your risk level by "slowing down a lot" unexpectedly? Keith is good, but you've found a strategy to ride your motorcycle. (Albeit a dangerous strategy, but a strategy none the less.) You can change a motorcycle's direction, by pushing DOWN on a peg, but it'll result in only large graceful arcs. And you'll have to weigh a lot to any great effect.
Here's your problem~ Using your technique, once you commit to a turn, you can not quickly adjust your line to avoid debris or whatever. You also don't have the capability to utilize one of the largest safety strategies in motorcycling. That would be the SWERVE.
The swerve can be a life saving skill, just like braking. This is why we stress this skill in class. Heavily.
Every RiderCoach I know that works with students in the classroom and on the range, strives to help students acquire this skill.
Oddly, dirtbike riders have a tough time with this as they mostly ride tracks where it's the same thing, lap after lap. They don't need to be able to adjust their line in a split second. They can't tolerate evasive maneuvers at all. Heck, they use target fixation as a "tool!" (We can use it also, but that's another thread.)
Yes, it's that important, and you don't seem to have it. You need it.
Here's your problem~ Using your technique, once you commit to a turn, you can not quickly adjust your line to avoid debris or whatever. You also don't have the capability to utilize one of the largest safety strategies in motorcycling. That would be the SWERVE.
The swerve can be a life saving skill, just like braking. This is why we stress this skill in class. Heavily.
Every RiderCoach I know that works with students in the classroom and on the range, strives to help students acquire this skill.
Oddly, dirtbike riders have a tough time with this as they mostly ride tracks where it's the same thing, lap after lap. They don't need to be able to adjust their line in a split second. They can't tolerate evasive maneuvers at all. Heck, they use target fixation as a "tool!" (We can use it also, but that's another thread.)
Yes, it's that important, and you don't seem to have it. You need it.
I realize I am not doing it correctly, and I suspected that there were others who were not doing it correctly and that was one reason I started this thread.
Because of posts like yours and Idaho's and many many others I am positive that everyone now has a very clear idea of what is counter-steering and how to do it properly. I am positive of it.
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Counter steering can prevent an accident at times, even if the rider is going too fast. The video you are commenting on, as well as the last few minutes of Keith Code's video, and the last paragraph of post #121 exemplify that. Is it better to think 'I shoulda done...', or take corrective action to prevent a possible tragedy? Sometimes 'stuff' happens and it good to know how to do things in response.
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I find it interesting how someone can ask a question about something and in a couple of days they're now the expert 
For the record, I made more corn in the microwave tonight. Then, I put synthetic butter on it. Now, where did I put the cap to the butter?
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I counterbalance the bike when making tight U-turns. Do I still need to do that if my engine is counterbalanced?
Thinking about the OP, these questions crossed my mind as well.
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For the record, I made more corn in the microwave tonight. Then, I put synthetic butter on it. Now, where did I put the cap to the butter?
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I counterbalance the bike when making tight U-turns. Do I still need to do that if my engine is counterbalanced?
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I don't think so. if you look at his speedo, he was only doing 45-50 mph. that shouldn't have been a problem on that road. hell, texas has roads that are only marginally better that have a 75mph speed limit.
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It would be nice to know the speed limit on that road.
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