Counter-steering
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For clarification, in my last riding course, the instructor said that's a misconception. The bike actually raises, (suspension extended) when throttle is applied. More lean angle clearance is gained by more throttle. The squating feeling comes from the feeling of actually being pushed rewards in your seat, thus most think the bike is dropping in the rear. Just as explained to me, sounded likely
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Well guess what, now you know why I deleted it. Because I think he is probably a nice man but he has not read all the posts and got some things wrong at my expense. He lost my respect when he tried to pile on without fully understanding what has gone on. After I published it, I decided I was going to give him a second chance.
You do not know what has gone on in this thread. Only I and a few others because only I and a few others have paid attention to everything that has been said.
You do not know what has gone on in this thread. Only I and a few others because only I and a few others have paid attention to everything that has been said.
How original. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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Pretty sure I do. I also know there are no absolutes, and doubt seriously anyone has ever accelerated out of a corner (key phrase) without also adjusting body position.
If you wish to ask a serious question, address all the variables.
As stated before there are many experienced riders here who are willing to help, however once you discount information, you will no longer get it.
Moderate smooth increase in throttle will decrease the lean angle and help bring you smoothly out of a corner, while violent acceleration will cause loss of traction, cause the rear end to come around, and if not immediately corrected increase the lean angle to the the point you are parallel with the pavement.
Ride more, and ask fewer question.
There are also Forum rules related to double posting.
If you wish to ask a serious question, address all the variables.
As stated before there are many experienced riders here who are willing to help, however once you discount information, you will no longer get it.
Moderate smooth increase in throttle will decrease the lean angle and help bring you smoothly out of a corner, while violent acceleration will cause loss of traction, cause the rear end to come around, and if not immediately corrected increase the lean angle to the the point you are parallel with the pavement.
Ride more, and ask fewer question.
There are also Forum rules related to double posting.
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The bike actually raises, (suspension extended) when throttle is applied. More lean angle clearance is gained by more throttle. The squating feeling comes from the feeling of actually being pushed rewards in your seat, thus most think the bike is dropping in the rear. Just as explained to me, sounded likely
has nothing to do with cornering - everything to do with throttling..., weight shift..., and rotational force
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I'm pretty sure just about everyone knows exactly what's going on here. And, I'm pretty sure just about everyone, including IdahoHacker, knows exactly what they're talking about. Just about....
Sure. If you were so concerned about feelings, you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. YOU were the one that said it, not me. Sometimes it pays to look before you leap. Nothing I posted here was with the goal of hurting anyone's feelings. For the record, and though I've said it before, I hold IdahoHacker in high regard.
How original. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Sure. If you were so concerned about feelings, you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. YOU were the one that said it, not me. Sometimes it pays to look before you leap. Nothing I posted here was with the goal of hurting anyone's feelings. For the record, and though I've said it before, I hold IdahoHacker in high regard.
How original. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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I don't have the type of experience to respond to your question. What I do have is over 40 yrs experience of riding. Thats over 39 yrs of simple in town street riding, 1 yr of pushing it harder than Ive ever done before as I now ride with a younger crowd. Thus my 3 classes of riding course this yr. I've never heard of counter steering or go where you look until a yr ago, but I have managed to go around corners without fail not knowing the terms or what I was actually doing, pushing left to go left. That's one of those things I had to actually go out and pay attention to what I was doing as far as steering input. Kinda blew my mind when I realized it seemed backwards. If I want to go left, I just did. Never considered the actions required to go left.
Again, you seem to be either a troll or very knowlegable and this is your way of invoking discussion. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Again, you seem to be either a troll or very knowlegable and this is your way of invoking discussion. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Something you need to know, if I get one of those nonsensical posts from someone, I don't read it and I usually don't read anything else that person posts. I just want you to know because you are not on that list.
You do get what is going on here!
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Here is everything I said in my previous post. You only quoted a small bit of it.
Well guess what, now you know why I deleted it. Because I think he is probably a nice man but he has not read all the posts and got some things wrong at my expense. He lost my respect when he tried to pile on without fully understanding what has gone on. After I published it, I decided I was going to give him a second chance.
You do not know what has gone on in this thread. Only I and a few others because only I and a few others have paid attention to everything that has been said.
I could say the same thing about you, that you are a total ***, because you re-published something that I had deleted to protect his feelings. You republished it to hurt his feelings. You sir, are a complete ***.
Well guess what, now you know why I deleted it. Because I think he is probably a nice man but he has not read all the posts and got some things wrong at my expense. He lost my respect when he tried to pile on without fully understanding what has gone on. After I published it, I decided I was going to give him a second chance.
You do not know what has gone on in this thread. Only I and a few others because only I and a few others have paid attention to everything that has been said.
I could say the same thing about you, that you are a total ***, because you re-published something that I had deleted to protect his feelings. You republished it to hurt his feelings. You sir, are a complete ***.
No need to get butthurt because you got caught deleting/editing something you unwisely posted and later thought better of. You're the responsible party, not me, not anyone else. You. I put it there so everyone could see you for who you are. You might as well own it.
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Actually, I quoted the entire post you referenced above. Check it out.
No need to get butthurt because you got caught deleting/editing something you unwisely posted and later thought better of. You're the responsible party, not me, not anyone else. You. I put it there so everyone could see you for who you are. You might as well own it.
No need to get butthurt because you got caught deleting/editing something you unwisely posted and later thought better of. You're the responsible party, not me, not anyone else. You. I put it there so everyone could see you for who you are. You might as well own it.
But you are still an *** for doing what you did. That is something only a jerk would do.