Answer this question: how do you know a post is nonsensical without reading it?

I better not hear crickets.

 

That's ok. I've been called much, much worse by much, much better than you.

With that said, the last word is yours.

 

Sorry bud, you made my list on your first post.

 

I absolutely read every single post you made. Every single one. We've never met. I have a reputation here at HDF of not losing my composure. The post I just made to you was written yesterday. That's how long I sat on it before I decided to actually post it. I'm still not sure it was the right thing to do.

No, you haven't. As I mentioned, we are now so deep in semantic soup that it's difficult to ascertain what point(s) you're actually attempting to make. You have made so many statements contradiction your previous statements that it is now impossible to understand exactly what points you're trying to make.

You are confusing lower speed countersteering curves with countersteering curves at aggressive speeds. You are taking the fact that it is possible to cause the handlebars to turn in the opposite direction during a very low speed curve by shifting your bodyweight, and using that to state that countersteering does not happen during "gentle" curves. You are dead wrong. Yes, it is also possible to make a bike turn through a gentle curve by "steering" in the direction you want the bike to turn. That is pointless, since what happens at 23.4 mph is not relevant to this discussion. At all.

Dead bullshit wrong.

The "Look, Lean, and Roll" applies to every corner and every curve. It applies in a 90 degree corner downtown in a 25 mph zone, and it applies at 100 mph. Stating the fact that you don't "have to" do these three steps during an almost straight section of non-curve curve is pointless. So what? You "need a way" to negotiate a highway curve so gentle that you don't need to do anything other than simply imagining yourself going through the curve and you're through the curve? Are you effing kidding me? That isn't even a thing. You've been told to stop overthinking this, and I'm going to tell you again. You're attempting to apply very specific turning techniques to a turn that is so gentle that the bike basically turns itself. Stop it.

Pushing down is wrong not only because you "weren't getting the proper leverage", it's wrong because it makes the bike lean more than necessary, which reduces cornering traction and increases the risk of a crash. Pushing down is bad. Very bad. Seriously bad. The "new method" you needed is what is technically known as the "correct" method.

It is called countersteering, and it is done by pushing the handlebars forward.

HDF is full of idiots who passionately state: "I've never had a class, I've been doing it this way for 50 years, and I've never crashed". Doing it wrong for 50 years and not dying is dumbass luck, pure and simple.

Mission accomplished.

[Back to something important...the Cubs kicking the Dodgers' ***.]

 

I am too tired to respond to everything you typed above. You are reaching to far back into the past to support you statements above. Here is a recent post that reflects my latest understanding of the topic. Don't hold me to it because it can change.

Please comment on this.

Please comment on the FACT that all the definitions of counter-steer use the word "momentarily". Why did they do that? Instead of trying to criticize me, let me ask you some questions?

Here is the beginning of the post...

From the Look, Lean and Roll method for negotiating a turn, as shown by this diagram.



But this diagram is not the complete picture. RedRider0151 actually pointed this out yesterday.

I understand that now.

This "method" of negotiating a turn asks you to slow down before the turn, then lean by using a momentary counter-steer, and then accelerate through the turn with out counter-steering in the turn.

The other method, and obviously the method preferred by several members of the forum, is to not slow down before the turn or slow down just a little and then initiate a continuous counter-steer through the turn to control your path in the turn.

 

I've actually been watching the Cubs-Dodgers NLCS game tonight, and I didn't see these:

The lean angle decreases.

 

Thank You.

 

 

Damn it Jim, I'm just a country doctor.

 

Now I'm confused, as to why you only answered it once.
I think that was my answer also.


Hope your Cubs do WELL. "It's been a long time coming."