Counter-steering
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The term "Press" means just that, non-ambiguous when you look at how your posture on your motorcycle is supposed to be. Arms out in front of you, wrists flat. If you apply pressure in the direction of your arms, you "press". To push down would be unnatural for your arm position. You are "pressing" the handlebars forward, not "pushing" them down. I doesn't take much pressure to change the direction of the bike at road speed, be smooth and experiment with different amounts of force in your press to see how your bike responds.
Practice this every time you go out riding. In the "Swerve" section of your instruction you had to "Press" left then right to avoid the hazard. Try this on manhole covers.
I hope this helped clear up any confusion you had about 'Countersteering'.
Ride often, have fun, repeat.
Scoop
Practice this every time you go out riding. In the "Swerve" section of your instruction you had to "Press" left then right to avoid the hazard. Try this on manhole covers.
I hope this helped clear up any confusion you had about 'Countersteering'.
Ride often, have fun, repeat.
Scoop
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From: North Ga.
Quickest thread to 100 pages?
It was barely over 40 pages, just a couple days ago.
Can it survive that long, without being censored by a moderator?
I'm betting Mikey is stubborn enough to go the distance.
It was barely over 40 pages, just a couple days ago.
Can it survive that long, without being censored by a moderator?
I'm betting Mikey is stubborn enough to go the distance.
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From: Idaho
There is one kind of steering torque (left/right) and one kind of counter-steering (left/right); and steering torque is created by counter-steering (applying forward pressure to the handlebars left/right).
These are facts. You are wrong. You have had 60 pages of constructive feedback from many different experienced riders, some very knowledgeable on the physics of how counter-steering works; and you either you...
a. Do not understand English well enough to understand it.
b. Are a troll and are deliberately disrespecting people on this board for your personal amusement.
c. Are just too stupid to get it.
So, with that said, I bid you au revoir. I am curious what your first language is though.
These are facts. You are wrong. You have had 60 pages of constructive feedback from many different experienced riders, some very knowledgeable on the physics of how counter-steering works; and you either you...
a. Do not understand English well enough to understand it.
b. Are a troll and are deliberately disrespecting people on this board for your personal amusement.
c. Are just too stupid to get it.
So, with that said, I bid you au revoir. I am curious what your first language is though.
As I said in a previous post, he has turned this thread into semantic soup. He is using different words to describe the same thing, and calling it a different thing. His entire premise is that since you countersteer more assertively in order to initiate lean in the beginning of a curve, but countersteer less assertively to maintain the radius of the curve, then it's no longer countersteering. It's countertorquing. Or some other bullshit he found on the interwebz.
At this point I've gone from assuming he's just a total beginner trying to figure this out, to being a classic troll, to being a complete *******. And a troll.
And I agree that this thread really has outlived its usefulness.
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ok MikerR1, how do you counter-steer?
Last edited by gotnspikes; Oct 21, 2016 at 02:45 PM.
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Pretty much.
As I said in a previous post, he has turned this thread into semantic soup. He is using different words to describe the same thing, and calling it a different thing. His entire premise is that since you countersteer more assertively in order to initiate lean in the beginning of a curve, but countersteer less assertively to maintain the radius of the curve, then it's no longer countersteering. It's countertorquing. Or some other bullshit he found on the interwebz.
At this point I've gone from assuming he's just a total beginner trying to figure this out, to being a classic troll, to being a complete *******. And a troll.
And I agree that this thread really has outlived its usefulness.
As I said in a previous post, he has turned this thread into semantic soup. He is using different words to describe the same thing, and calling it a different thing. His entire premise is that since you countersteer more assertively in order to initiate lean in the beginning of a curve, but countersteer less assertively to maintain the radius of the curve, then it's no longer countersteering. It's countertorquing. Or some other bullshit he found on the interwebz.
At this point I've gone from assuming he's just a total beginner trying to figure this out, to being a classic troll, to being a complete *******. And a troll.
And I agree that this thread really has outlived its usefulness.
Counter-steering has a very specific definition. The wheel must be turned in the direction opposite to the direction you are going. Period.
And it is not semantic soup. That is a cop out on your part.
Counter-steering is not about the pressure or torque on the handlerbars. Counter steering is about the direction of the wheel relative to the direction the rider wants to go.
There is a steering torque required to maintain the lean angle. That is why you have to keep pressure on the inside bar even after you lean, but you are not counter-steering. If you look at the front tire from the front when one is doing that, you will find that it is pointed in the direction the motorcycle is going. The rider is maintaining the lean angle, not changing it.
If the operator was counter steering and you looked from the front at the the front tire would be pointed in the direction opposite to which the bike was intending to go and the rider would be trying to increase his lean angle.
That is why the MSF diagram for Look, Lean and Roll does not show the the operator of the bike is counter-steering in the turn. The turn in that diagram is a constant radius turn, and the diagram is intended to show that once the initial lean is established, a stable lean is initiated, no further counter-steering is needed. If the diagram was a little more explanatory it would have stated that in the turn the operator had to maintain pressure on the inside bar in order to maintain the stable lean angle.
You can push all you want on the inside bar but if you don't get that front tire to cross over you have not counter-steered.
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 21, 2016 at 03:38 PM.
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