Counter-steering
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Wow. Please tell me what this has to do with actually riding a bike. Of course this isn't actually countersteering (although you're making the same physical input), because the bike isn't actually moving forward, and the bike is locked into place--the bike is static, even though the rear tire is spinning. IF THE BIKE ISN'T MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN"T F***ING STEER THE BIKE. Cheez.....
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 50 mph on the highway on a straight away. And let suppose that the fork lock breaks and prevents the wheel from turning left or right. You want to turn left. You push the left bar as hard as you can. Did you counter steer?
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Again, semantics. I'm pretty sure you knew that I didn't mean counter-steering is pushing the handlebar, but rather pushing the handlebar is how you initiate/hold a counter-steer. So much so, that most people understand what is meant by calling the action of pressing the bar forward "counter-steering" because the end result of the bike when you are moving, is counter-steering. Most people are smart enough to understand that communication is more than just the mere specific words used. You are not demonstrating the presence of comprehension in your communication skills.
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He know's this, as well as knows what I was meaning, he's just being a dick.
Again, semantics. I'm pretty sure you knew that I didn't mean counter-steering is pushing the handlebar, but rather pushing the handlebar is how you initiate/hold a counter-steer. So much so, that most people understand what is meant by calling the action of pressing the bar forward "counter-steering" because the end result of the bike when you are moving, is counter-steering. Most people are smart enough to understand that communication is more than just the mere specific words used. You are not demonstrating the presence of comprehension in your communication skills.
Again, semantics. I'm pretty sure you knew that I didn't mean counter-steering is pushing the handlebar, but rather pushing the handlebar is how you initiate/hold a counter-steer. So much so, that most people understand what is meant by calling the action of pressing the bar forward "counter-steering" because the end result of the bike when you are moving, is counter-steering. Most people are smart enough to understand that communication is more than just the mere specific words used. You are not demonstrating the presence of comprehension in your communication skills.
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Ok, lets design the experiment differently
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 50 mph on the highway on a straight away. And let suppose that the fork lock breaks and prevents the wheel from turning left or right. You want to turn left. You push the left bar as hard as you can. Did you counter steer?
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 50 mph on the highway on a straight away. And let suppose that the fork lock breaks and prevents the wheel from turning left or right. You want to turn left. You push the left bar as hard as you can. Did you counter steer?
And, no, you didn't countersteer. You attempted to countersteer. And since you were so preoccupied with countersteering on a straight section of road and forgot to roll off the throttle and brake lightly to a stop, you're now what we refer to as roadkill.
Edit: My wife has only been riding since June, and she already has all this **** figured out.......
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Gotcha. The point I would make, though, is the rider in the video isn't keeping his body upright out of choice; the height of his bars is preventing him from getting his upper body down into the proper lean angle with the bike. If he could lean his whole body more, he wouldn't need to lean the bike as much, and wouldn't be scraping the pavement nearly so much.
So, what you're saying is he can do that good with it improperly set up, imagine how much better he could be doing with it right.
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Let's pretend you're the one on said bike. You're gonna fricken' crash, buddy.....
And, no, you didn't countersteer. You attempted to countersteer. And since you were so preoccupied with countersteering on a straight section of road and forgot to roll off the throttle and brake lightly to a stop, you're now what we refer to as roadkill.
And, no, you didn't countersteer. You attempted to countersteer. And since you were so preoccupied with countersteering on a straight section of road and forgot to roll off the throttle and brake lightly to a stop, you're now what we refer to as roadkill.
The counter-steer is not the pressure, in order to counter-steer the front wheel has to cross over.
What this means is that just because you hold pressure on the inside bar in a turn, it does not mean you are counter steering, you may just be maintaining the current lean angle. It takes pressure to do both, but to counter steer you have to exert enough pressure to get the front wheel to cross over.
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 21, 2016 at 05:35 PM.
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Ok, lets design the experiment differently
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 50 mph on the highway on a straight away. And let suppose that the fork lock breaks and prevents the wheel from turning left or right. You want to turn left. You push the left bar as hard as you can. Did you counter steer?
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 50 mph on the highway on a straight away. And let suppose that the fork lock breaks and prevents the wheel from turning left or right. You want to turn left. You push the left bar as hard as you can. Did you counter steer?
Let's design the experiment even more differently
Lets pretend we have a motorcycle that is going 950 mph on the highway on a straight away. And lets suppose that there are flames coming out of the exhaust 900 feet back. You want to ascend vertically off the seat like superman, but when you push the methane out, you explode in a great ball of fire when the methane hits the flames. Did you ascend?