do love jugs work ?
he is the head mechanic for one of the Harley dealers near me. He has been the head mechanic for over 20 years and knows what he is doing. if you think about it the fan blows air on this sensor causing the sensor to not enable the heat management to come on and shut down the rear cylinder. If you want to try this yourself take a small fan, run your bike till your heat management comes on and the rear cylinder shuts off, then point the fan directly on the sensor, the rear cylinder will come on again in a very short time (less than a minute) as your motor overheats and causes damage.
1. Heat management..EITMS only comes on at idle when ambient air temp is above some number (80??), not when head temp is above some number (on 2014 twin cooled Ultra Limited anyway).
2. can be disabled by the owner with simple hand throttle movements. If it is so critical to engine survival, why does Harley let us turn it off?
3. If your engine was destroyed by heat, because the EITMS was fooled into never running, how long did you let your bike idle (the only time EITMS comes on), with your love jugs fans running? My Limited has been caught in heavy traffic for several hours, in 90 degree heat, and although it got really hot, it never failed, and that was before love jugs.
4. Some other factor ruined your motor, and your mechanic either wanted to save you some embarrassment, or just wanted to blame love jugs because it's not a HD product.
5. Was your bike under warranty? Did they fix your bike?
6. I'll bet you let them do all your work, including oil changes...
Yes, I am a bit skeptical.
I got these for a specific reason, they come off with one bolt. Wired to a quick disconnect. I will run them when I think they will benefit me, like across Death Valley. And during Rolling to Remember (Rolling Thunder replacement).
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The logic here is faulty. How long he has been pulling his customer's leg(s) is of no consequence. So the heat sensor has nothing to do with heat management on my 14 Limited
1. Heat management..EITMS only comes on at idle when ambient air temp is above some number (80??), not when head temp is above some number (on 2014 twin cooled Ultra Limited anyway).
2. can be disabled by the owner with simple hand throttle movements. If it is so critical to engine survival, why does Harley let us turn it off?
3. If your engine was destroyed by heat, because the EITMS was fooled into never running, how long did you let your bike idle (the only time EITMS comes on), with your love jugs fans running? My Limited has been caught in heavy traffic for several hours, in 90 degree heat, and although it got really hot, it never failed, and that was before love jugs.
4. Some other factor ruined your motor, and your mechanic either wanted to save you some embarrassment, or just wanted to blame love jugs because it's not a HD product.
5. Was your bike under warranty? Did they fix your bike?
6. I'll bet you let them do all your work, including oil changes...
Yes, I am a bit skeptical.
I got these for a specific reason, they come off with one bolt. Wired to a quick disconnect. I will run them when I think they will benefit me, like across Death Valley. And during Rolling to Remember (Rolling Thunder replacement).
1. Heat management..EITMS only comes on at idle when ambient air temp is above some number (80??), not when head temp is above some number (on 2014 twin cooled Ultra Limited anyway).
2. can be disabled by the owner with simple hand throttle movements. If it is so critical to engine survival, why does Harley let us turn it off?
3. If your engine was destroyed by heat, because the EITMS was fooled into never running, how long did you let your bike idle (the only time EITMS comes on), with your love jugs fans running? My Limited has been caught in heavy traffic for several hours, in 90 degree heat, and although it got really hot, it never failed, and that was before love jugs.
4. Some other factor ruined your motor, and your mechanic either wanted to save you some embarrassment, or just wanted to blame love jugs because it's not a HD product.
5. Was your bike under warranty? Did they fix your bike?
6. I'll bet you let them do all your work, including oil changes...
Yes, I am a bit skeptical.
I got these for a specific reason, they come off with one bolt. Wired to a quick disconnect. I will run them when I think they will benefit me, like across Death Valley. And during Rolling to Remember (Rolling Thunder replacement).
2. Yes they gave me a new motor. (they actually totally rebuilt it as Harley warranty would not let them do a replacement motor under extended warranty
3.I did all my own services by the book, they only did warranty stuff
4. I never over revved my motor or lugged my motor. i have owned a Harley every day of my life since my 14th birthday and am 75 now. Twin cams were the only harleys i have ever had problems with because of heat
5. I said in my original post that the mechanic felt the love jugs caused my motor to fail but I should have said that he thought they may have contributed to the failure.because of the reasons i stated. I should not have said that for sure they caused the failure only that they could have
Last edited by gerald martin; Feb 19, 2020 at 09:48 PM.
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1. yes my bike was under extended warranty
2. Yes they gave me a new motor. (they actually totally rebuilt it as Harley warranty would not let them do a replacement motor under extended warranty
3.I did all my own services by the book, they only did warranty stuff
4. I never over revved my motor or lugged my motor. i have owned a Harley every day of my life since my 14th birthday and am 75 now. Twin cams were the only harleys i have ever had problems with because of heat
5. I said in my original post that the mechanic felt the love jugs caused my motor to fail but I should have said that he thought they may have contributed to the failure.because of the reasons i stated. I should not have said that for sure they caused the failure only that they could have
2. Yes they gave me a new motor. (they actually totally rebuilt it as Harley warranty would not let them do a replacement motor under extended warranty
3.I did all my own services by the book, they only did warranty stuff
4. I never over revved my motor or lugged my motor. i have owned a Harley every day of my life since my 14th birthday and am 75 now. Twin cams were the only harleys i have ever had problems with because of heat
5. I said in my original post that the mechanic felt the love jugs caused my motor to fail but I should have said that he thought they may have contributed to the failure.because of the reasons i stated. I should not have said that for sure they caused the failure only that they could have
You seem to embellish the truth to make a point.
First, there is no such thing as an extended warranty. Harley Davidson Motor Company (MoCo) warranties their motorcycles for two years with unlimited mileage. That's it. What you had was an extended service plan which is an insurance policy you purchased to cover certain repairs AFTER the factory (MoCo) warranty expires.
Second, you got a new motor. Oh wait, you didn't actually get a NEW motor, they rebuilt the broken one. The MoCo wouldn't replace your engine because your bike's warranty had expired already so they had to rebuild your existing engine.
Third, your mechanic said the Love Jugs caused your engine to fail. Oh wait, he didn't actually say it caused the failure but that it contributed to the failure. Ahhhh, I got it now.
I have to agree with r0de_runr. I'm skeptical also for the reasons he noted. Do air cooled V-twins get hot? Absolutely. But, to fail due to the heat? I'm not buying it. Harley tests these engines and bikes in the Arizona desert heat.
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You seem to embellish the truth to make a point.
First, there is no such thing as an extended warranty. Harley Davidson Motor Company (MoCo) warranties their motorcycles for two years with unlimited mileage. That's it. What you had was an extended service plan which is an insurance policy you purchased to cover certain repairs AFTER the factory (MoCo) warranty expires.
Second, you got a new motor. Oh wait, you didn't actually get a NEW motor, they rebuilt the broken one. The MoCo wouldn't replace your engine because your bike's warranty had expired already so they had to rebuild your existing engine.
Third, your mechanic said the Love Jugs caused your engine to fail. Oh wait, he didn't actually say it caused the failure but that it contributed to the failure. Ahhhh, I got it now.
I have to agree with r0de_runr. I'm skeptical also for the reasons he noted. Do air cooled V-twins get hot? Absolutely. But, to fail due to the heat? I'm not buying it. Harley tests these engines and bikes in the Arizona desert heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKH77l80QA
You seem to embellish the truth to make a point.
First, there is no such thing as an extended warranty. Harley Davidson Motor Company (MoCo) warranties their motorcycles for two years with unlimited mileage. That's it. What you had was an extended service plan which is an insurance policy you purchased to cover certain repairs AFTER the factory (MoCo) warranty expires.
Second, you got a new motor. Oh wait, you didn't actually get a NEW motor, they rebuilt the broken one. The MoCo wouldn't replace your engine because your bike's warranty had expired already so they had to rebuild your existing engine.
Third, your mechanic said the Love Jugs caused your engine to fail. Oh wait, he didn't actually say it caused the failure but that it contributed to the failure. Ahhhh, I got it now.
I have to agree with r0de_runr. I'm skeptical also for the reasons he noted. Do air cooled V-twins get hot? Absolutely. But, to fail due to the heat? I'm not buying it. Harley tests these engines and bikes in the Arizona desert heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKH77l80QA
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according to my mechanic the reason my 103 motor in my 2015 freewheeler was totally destroyed by heat was because the love jugs which blew air on the heat sensor fooled the sensor into believing it was cooler than it realy was. Also the love jugs blow air on only one side of the motor which does not allow even heat distribution. IMO love jugs were the main reason my motor was heat destroyed
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[QUOTE=IBE;18889666]hey gerald since they blew up your motor just send them to me and ill see if i can duplacate on my motor.. down here in the Florida heat[/QUOTE
find a way for me to send them to you from Canada without any cost to me and they are yours. I have sold my freewheeler, bought a real bike (2015 sportster with 1,200 miles 1200 kit with cams for 7,000.00 Canadian) and put a Frankenstein trike kit on it. No more over heating, better ride, better gas mileage and the power is similar. And with a trailer hitch carrier i can carry more. The wife says it rides better also.
find a way for me to send them to you from Canada without any cost to me and they are yours. I have sold my freewheeler, bought a real bike (2015 sportster with 1,200 miles 1200 kit with cams for 7,000.00 Canadian) and put a Frankenstein trike kit on it. No more over heating, better ride, better gas mileage and the power is similar. And with a trailer hitch carrier i can carry more. The wife says it rides better also.
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there is an extended warranty. i bought it at the dealership at the time I bought my bike. it was a 7 year warranty. i think maybe you should get your facts straight. And also I dont really care what you think. The mechanic said the love jugs could have caused my motor problems and I believe him. i know he is a qualified mechanic and i dont know what your qualifications are so i will leave it at that. Think what you want about the love jugs, you have your opinion and I have mine. By the way how many miles a year do you trailer your bike? I RIDE my bike between 20 to 30 thousand a year
Damn, you ride your bike 20-30k miles a year? You're the hero of the forum.
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Yeah, sorry Gerald, my facts are straight. You purchased a 5 year extended service plan (ESP). There was the 2 year factory warranty + 5 year ESP = 7 years. The Harley Davidson Motor Company warranty is 2 years. Period.
Damn, you ride your bike 20-30k miles a year? You're the hero of the forum.
Damn, you ride your bike 20-30k miles a year? You're the hero of the forum.