Why All The Hatred ?
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 140
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From: Oregon
31 isn't all that great, but its usable. 34 - 36 would be better. And it might be fake news but I found it in a link at MCN.
Hmm, HD is debating the "real world' lean angle vs SAE measurement technique.
Hmm, HD is debating the "real world' lean angle vs SAE measurement technique.
Last edited by ChickinOnaChain; Aug 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM.
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Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 11,613
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From: SoCal / AZ
i don't see how in the hell they will sell somne of theis crap. now if you weant a street glide special you have to settle for a black engine with no chrome at all. the new fatboy is really ugly, along with the new roadking special. i thppught we would see more twin cooled bikes this year. i don't know what harley is thinking with some of this crap. the pic's of the new tri-glide with the stupid looking fog lights is really bad. i wouldn't buy any of the new ****. harley dropped the ball this year.
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 140
Likes: 11
From: Oregon
Hmm, weird my 08 xl1200C was 90.5 in overall. 27 deg rounded up from 26.8 just isn't OK.
Torque: 110 lb.-ft. @ 3000 RPM
Fuel Economy: 47 mpg
Overall Length: 90.0 in.
Overall Width: 38.2 in.
Seat Height: 25.5 in.
Ground Clearance: 4.7 in.
Lean Angle (left/right): 27/27 deg.
Wheelbase: 64.2 in.
Torque: 110 lb.-ft. @ 3000 RPM
Fuel Economy: 47 mpg
Overall Length: 90.0 in.
Overall Width: 38.2 in.
Seat Height: 25.5 in.
Ground Clearance: 4.7 in.
Lean Angle (left/right): 27/27 deg.
Wheelbase: 64.2 in.
Last edited by speedmastermotor; Aug 23, 2017 at 10:52 PM.
Road Master
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 816
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From: Rijssen, the Netherlands
With the modernization of the HD bikes they come into the path of less expensive competitors like Triumph and MotoGuzzi. Even BMW maybe. All offering the same features for less money in Europe. The existing HD buyers and adepts will buy the new 2018, but new consumers/riders in Europe with less binding with the brand will defenitively calculate. Homo Calcularis and will not buy HD. The prices of HD in Europe are even in Euros 20-30% higher than in the States in dollars, so the competition is fierce. Also in other parts of the world. The MoCo has defenitively to look for cost reductions translated in the sales prices, otherwise the HD brand will loose further market in Europe. And don't be mistaken, the MoCo can't survive on the world market at their present size with only the USA market.
"Imagin' and 'cult' are very bad sales arguments with Homo Calcularis, being the new coming buyers on the market. "Outpricing" is one of the biggest challenges for the MoCo for the coming five years.
"Imagin' and 'cult' are very bad sales arguments with Homo Calcularis, being the new coming buyers on the market. "Outpricing" is one of the biggest challenges for the MoCo for the coming five years.
Tourer
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 276
Likes: 147
From: Alabama
I still hate the way the 2018 Heritage Classic looks. However, the 2018 Deluxe, except for the turn signals. looks pretty good with a windshield and passenger seat. I'm open to buying a 2018 Deluxe, especially from all the good reviews I've read today from people who have actually had *** time in the seat.
I just wish adjusting the rear shock preload did not require removing the seat and had a twist **** like some of the other new Softails. Still a LOT easier than on my 2017 Slim, However!
I'm actually liking the 2018 Low Rider too. Sure, it's not a Dyna Low Rider, but it's starting to look really good to me the more I look at it. However, I wish it still had dual disks up front.
The 2018 Slim looks great to me...even the pipes. But then again, I kinda like the Indian Scout's pipes too.
I'm gonna try and see them in the next few day and see how they look in person.
If after riding them I'm as impressed as some of the moto-journalist are with the '18 models, I'll be the first to eat crow.
However, I still don't care for the '18 Fat Bob, Fat Boy, and Street Bob.
There's something about the Street Bob in particular that looks very "off" to me.
Also, does anyone know if the Jiffy Stands on the '18 Softails lock into place?
The picture in the Revzilla review of the 2018 aluminum parts that replace the 2017 steel parts show the old and new Jiffy Stands and they look totally different.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...ine-kills-dyna
From the above review: "Harley-Davidson had a little show-and-tell session for us to show us how and where they stripped weight. On the left are two fender struts. The old ones are steel, but the new ones are aluminum. Next to those are some handlebars — same deal, steel was replaced by aluminum. Ditto for the triple trees and jiffy stands you can see there, as well."
I just wish adjusting the rear shock preload did not require removing the seat and had a twist **** like some of the other new Softails. Still a LOT easier than on my 2017 Slim, However!
I'm actually liking the 2018 Low Rider too. Sure, it's not a Dyna Low Rider, but it's starting to look really good to me the more I look at it. However, I wish it still had dual disks up front.
The 2018 Slim looks great to me...even the pipes. But then again, I kinda like the Indian Scout's pipes too.
I'm gonna try and see them in the next few day and see how they look in person.
If after riding them I'm as impressed as some of the moto-journalist are with the '18 models, I'll be the first to eat crow.
However, I still don't care for the '18 Fat Bob, Fat Boy, and Street Bob.
There's something about the Street Bob in particular that looks very "off" to me.
Also, does anyone know if the Jiffy Stands on the '18 Softails lock into place?
The picture in the Revzilla review of the 2018 aluminum parts that replace the 2017 steel parts show the old and new Jiffy Stands and they look totally different.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...ine-kills-dyna
From the above review: "Harley-Davidson had a little show-and-tell session for us to show us how and where they stripped weight. On the left are two fender struts. The old ones are steel, but the new ones are aluminum. Next to those are some handlebars — same deal, steel was replaced by aluminum. Ditto for the triple trees and jiffy stands you can see there, as well."
Last edited by Timbo64; Aug 24, 2017 at 05:43 AM.
Cruiser
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 214
Likes: 33
From: Colorado
As someone stated; People hate change and that is especially true when it comes to Harley Owners. It seems to me hardcore Harley Owners just want Harley to keep making the same thing. But as Harley recognizes they won't survive doing that.
I've been a motorcyclist for over 30+ years. I've owned/ridden all makes and models of motorcycles.
And what I've witnessed is Harley has tried over the years to come into the "modern era", no truer than the V-Rod which ***** G was 100% behind. While it had some short-comings, it was a really "modern" version of what a Harley could have been. But the hardcore Harley owners didn't want that. They wanted a traditional/classic Harley. And unfortunately, for those looking at cruisers at that time weren't interested either as alot of people associate "Harley" with that stereotypical "Biker" lifestyle not to mention metric cruisers at that time were at least as good.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming Harley, I love my Slim and hope Harley is around for a long time. BUT the indeed need to do something or they will continue to lose market share...
Personally, my initial reaction to the new line up was; "meh"... I wasn't necessarily impressed with what they rolled out from the aesthetics point of view. But the frame (Softail), suspension, and engine are really a nice step in the right direction and IMO, still retain the Harley look. Some people say you need to ride it before you decide. But IMO, if its not aesthetically pleasing to me, I don't care what it rides like.
For the most part I do like the new Fatboy. I say for the most part... as I don't really care for the headlight housing...
I was hoping they would roll out something that may appeal to the younger generation, but they didn't. Maybe they don't want another V-rod on their hands.
I've been a motorcyclist for over 30+ years. I've owned/ridden all makes and models of motorcycles.
And what I've witnessed is Harley has tried over the years to come into the "modern era", no truer than the V-Rod which ***** G was 100% behind. While it had some short-comings, it was a really "modern" version of what a Harley could have been. But the hardcore Harley owners didn't want that. They wanted a traditional/classic Harley. And unfortunately, for those looking at cruisers at that time weren't interested either as alot of people associate "Harley" with that stereotypical "Biker" lifestyle not to mention metric cruisers at that time were at least as good.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming Harley, I love my Slim and hope Harley is around for a long time. BUT the indeed need to do something or they will continue to lose market share...
Personally, my initial reaction to the new line up was; "meh"... I wasn't necessarily impressed with what they rolled out from the aesthetics point of view. But the frame (Softail), suspension, and engine are really a nice step in the right direction and IMO, still retain the Harley look. Some people say you need to ride it before you decide. But IMO, if its not aesthetically pleasing to me, I don't care what it rides like.
For the most part I do like the new Fatboy. I say for the most part... as I don't really care for the headlight housing...
I was hoping they would roll out something that may appeal to the younger generation, but they didn't. Maybe they don't want another V-rod on their hands.
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Joined: May 2013
Posts: 428
Likes: 97
From: CA, USA
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From: Florida
no problem ridding the Dragon, although it will be my last time on that road due to the over abundance of idiots. I drug the floor boards but I did the same on my other bikes. So 31 she works just fine.
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From: Midwest
True. Harley just needs to please potential buyers. They obviously feel the new project was one of the ways to do that. The verdict on that will come with time.