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You left insurance fraud off ha. But yes I could keep it, then its a matter of resale value and Ive overpaid for a downed bike, because Im not going to lie about it to someone else, except the dealer I purchased from. If they get it back theyre just going to sell it in the same manner regardless if I tell them my concerns.
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Go to or otherwise contact the dealership and start negotiating the purchase of a new bike; don't mention what you have found and hope no one at the dealership reads this thread.
When the negotiations get to the point where you're getting a fair price on a new bike (you certainly should as things are now) then start asking about trade-in value to ascertain the delta. Then and only then introduce what you have found and ask for the full purchase price of your bike as trade-in against a new one.
Tell them you will hire a lawyer and claim consumer fraud and concealment of the damages. Tell them you will subpoena the dealer sales and service records for the bike and depose the former owner. Tell them you would like to handle this amicably but ...
If they start talking about the time and miles you put on the bike - push back and say the concealment was willful. They want to move new units and, hopefully, would like to avoid a legal problem with you. Killing two birds with one stone makes sense for them.
I have a scratched and seasoned Road King that I thoroughly enjoy and fret not over - but it's ten years old and has provided great memories ... all the scratches are mine, including grinding down both floorboards and floor board supports on Tail of the Dragon ... in a light rain! I kid you not; I have witnesses.
Anyways, I love my RK as it is but it seems as though you're not in the same place with your bike, so see what you can do with the dealership or, alternatively, learn to live with it, enjoy it and you go and ride the **** out of it!
DISCLAIMER: I am not a licensed attorney in the State of Georgia and this is not legal advice. In fact, to tot he extent this is advice at all, it's worth what you paid for it; heed it at your own risk and peril.
When the negotiations get to the point where you're getting a fair price on a new bike (you certainly should as things are now) then start asking about trade-in value to ascertain the delta. Then and only then introduce what you have found and ask for the full purchase price of your bike as trade-in against a new one.
Tell them you will hire a lawyer and claim consumer fraud and concealment of the damages. Tell them you will subpoena the dealer sales and service records for the bike and depose the former owner. Tell them you would like to handle this amicably but ...
If they start talking about the time and miles you put on the bike - push back and say the concealment was willful. They want to move new units and, hopefully, would like to avoid a legal problem with you. Killing two birds with one stone makes sense for them.
I have a scratched and seasoned Road King that I thoroughly enjoy and fret not over - but it's ten years old and has provided great memories ... all the scratches are mine, including grinding down both floorboards and floor board supports on Tail of the Dragon ... in a light rain! I kid you not; I have witnesses.
Anyways, I love my RK as it is but it seems as though you're not in the same place with your bike, so see what you can do with the dealership or, alternatively, learn to live with it, enjoy it and you go and ride the **** out of it!
DISCLAIMER: I am not a licensed attorney in the State of Georgia and this is not legal advice. In fact, to tot he extent this is advice at all, it's worth what you paid for it; heed it at your own risk and peril.
Anyway the problem is I have spoken to the previous owner many times. He changes his story on everything. You can see two small marks with touch up paint where the bag was pushed up onto the docking system points. I asked him about it and he said he backed into his toolbox. Couple days later I called him out on it and he said it was from the bag being dragged. This guy has money. Has a 2020 stage 4 cvo, and other expensive toys. So I couldnt see him repairing it himself, and I was told something similar about this dealer which makes me think they may have coordinated something with him on the repair and sold him the bike. Long response, sorry. But I think he is useless unless I can convince him Im not giving him responsibility on this and it wont come back on him.
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There's a thing called "Pre-Inspection" that I've done on all the used bikes I've purchased over the years, and on every single one I've laid down on the ground and looked under the bike. Hell, you have to lay down anyway when your changing fluids, etc. I have a lift but I don't put a scoot on it for any fluid change.
I guess the point I'm making is not catching any damage on a bike is on you. Hell, there's even a chance the dealer didn't know, if they took it on a trade and it slipped thru with some lower bag damage they didn't notice. Who knows? Bottom line is you bought it with the damage and that's only on you.
Because it has the damage doesn't mean it's been in a catastrophic wreck and they lied. Insurance will total a bike in a bad wreck and Salvage the title.
The bikes has some damage that's somewhat hidden, and you're never gonna be happy with it, or so it seems, so as others have told you here, you should probably move on from the machine.
I guess the point I'm making is not catching any damage on a bike is on you. Hell, there's even a chance the dealer didn't know, if they took it on a trade and it slipped thru with some lower bag damage they didn't notice. Who knows? Bottom line is you bought it with the damage and that's only on you.
Because it has the damage doesn't mean it's been in a catastrophic wreck and they lied. Insurance will total a bike in a bad wreck and Salvage the title.
The bikes has some damage that's somewhat hidden, and you're never gonna be happy with it, or so it seems, so as others have told you here, you should probably move on from the machine.
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take the bags off repaint the bar that the bag sits on and inspect the frame at that time. its easy to do. and i assure you that if it was in a bad wreck the insurance co adjuster would catch it all. for the insurance to total a harley the amount of money it would take to fix the bike would have to be over 80% of the value. and i do think any dealership has to give you that information. and they cant sell you a bike with a salvage title. at least not without you knowing it. if you are financing it the bank or lender would NOT finance it.. cheers mate 
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take the bags off repaint the bar that the bag sits on and inspect the frame at that time. its easy to do. and i assure you that if it was in a bad wreck the insurance co adjuster would catch it all. for the insurance to total a harley the amount of money it would take to fix the bike would have to be over 80% of the value. and i do think any dealership has to give you that information. and they cant sell you a bike with a salvage title. at least not without you knowing it. if you are financing it the bank or lender would NOT finance it.. cheers mate
Last edited by RedSmert; Apr 22, 2020 at 06:15 PM.
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There's a thing called "Pre-Inspection" that I've done on all the used bikes I've purchased over the years, and on every single one I've laid down on the ground and looked under the bike. Hell, you have to lay down anyway when your changing fluids, etc. I have a lift but I don't put a scoot on it for any fluid change.
I guess the point I'm making is not catching any damage on a bike is on you. Hell, there's even a chance the dealer didn't know, if they took it on a trade and it slipped thru with some lower bag damage they didn't notice. Who knows? Bottom line is you bought it with the damage and that's only on you.
Because it has the damage doesn't mean it's been in a catastrophic wreck and they lied. Insurance will total a bike in a bad wreck and Salvage the title.
The bikes has some damage that's somewhat hidden, and you're never gonna be happy with it, or so it seems, so as others have told you here, you should probably move on from the machine.
I guess the point I'm making is not catching any damage on a bike is on you. Hell, there's even a chance the dealer didn't know, if they took it on a trade and it slipped thru with some lower bag damage they didn't notice. Who knows? Bottom line is you bought it with the damage and that's only on you.
Because it has the damage doesn't mean it's been in a catastrophic wreck and they lied. Insurance will total a bike in a bad wreck and Salvage the title.
The bikes has some damage that's somewhat hidden, and you're never gonna be happy with it, or so it seems, so as others have told you here, you should probably move on from the machine.
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You have two options, ride it or get rid of it. And theres a third option, the salesman that sold it to you obviously bullshatted you, go have a talk with him and bring a hammer.
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