Daytona
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Wow, didnt realize it was this bad!
https://www.news-journalonline.com/s...y/10669461002/
https://www.news-journalonline.com/s...y/10669461002/
Those missing pieces of sheet piling make me wonder if they were not interlocked. It's a sad sight but that's mother nature.
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Yes, it is sad to see but, like others, I'm not exactly sure what it has to do with the "anti-rally" crowd. Kind of an inconsiderate and thoughtless comment if you ask me.
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I do not know how much of a correlation was intended but it is sad to see the tragedy visited upon this community and area.
That being said, Daytona is a bit of a depressed area. I'm not saying it's a wasteland and no disrespect to those who live there but it, like many areas, has lost the shine of its former glory. It's not exactly the vacation destination hotspot it once thought it was and (prior to this storm) it shows.
I have been going to the Daytona area for decades and have been told by those in the hospitality industry that they basically get three groups; NASCAR, Spring Breakers and (what they refer to as) Bikers. I have not done a scientific study and am not a professional pollsters - but those who live and work there, admittedly in the hospitality industry, say they prefer the Bikers. It may not be politically correct to use broad brush stereotypes but I am told that the NASCAR folks bring their own "everything" and leave only trash, the college kids cause trouble and also "dine & dash" while the "Bikers" generally act well and tip well. Please don't hate on me as the messenger - just repeating what I've been told.
With that backdrop, the area, and it's inhabitants, need revenue - Bike Week and Biketoberfest bring that. Keeping things in maintenance and, now, undertaking major repairs takes money. FEMA and insurance only cover so much ... and that no so well. Real estate taxes, government fees and traffic tickets can only do so much and are generally disfavored. Cash Cows like bike rallies bring revenue to the area and while some residents may not appreciate the sound of motorcycles - into the early morning hours, it may be preferred to having infrastructure repairs deferred for extended periods. So, the correlation is money. The area now, more than ever, needs money and the rallies bring that.
That being said, Daytona is a bit of a depressed area. I'm not saying it's a wasteland and no disrespect to those who live there but it, like many areas, has lost the shine of its former glory. It's not exactly the vacation destination hotspot it once thought it was and (prior to this storm) it shows.
I have been going to the Daytona area for decades and have been told by those in the hospitality industry that they basically get three groups; NASCAR, Spring Breakers and (what they refer to as) Bikers. I have not done a scientific study and am not a professional pollsters - but those who live and work there, admittedly in the hospitality industry, say they prefer the Bikers. It may not be politically correct to use broad brush stereotypes but I am told that the NASCAR folks bring their own "everything" and leave only trash, the college kids cause trouble and also "dine & dash" while the "Bikers" generally act well and tip well. Please don't hate on me as the messenger - just repeating what I've been told.
With that backdrop, the area, and it's inhabitants, need revenue - Bike Week and Biketoberfest bring that. Keeping things in maintenance and, now, undertaking major repairs takes money. FEMA and insurance only cover so much ... and that no so well. Real estate taxes, government fees and traffic tickets can only do so much and are generally disfavored. Cash Cows like bike rallies bring revenue to the area and while some residents may not appreciate the sound of motorcycles - into the early morning hours, it may be preferred to having infrastructure repairs deferred for extended periods. So, the correlation is money. The area now, more than ever, needs money and the rallies bring that.
Last edited by Jehu; Nov 13, 2022 at 08:31 AM. Reason: spleeling and gmaraer
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To add
I do not know how much of a correlation was intended but it is sad to see the tragedy visited upon this community and area.
That being said, Daytona is a bit of a depressed area. I'm not saying it's a wasteland and no disrespect to those who live there but it, like many areas, has lost the shine of its former glory. It's not exactly the vacation destination hotspot it once thought it was and (prior to this storm) it shows.
I have bee going to the Daytona area for decades and have been told by those is the hospitality industry that they basically get three groups; NASCAR, Spring Breakers and (what they refer to as) Bikers. I have not done a scientific study and am not a professional pollsters - but those who live and work there, admittedly in the hospitality industry, say they prefer the Bikers. It may not be politically correct to use broad brush stereotypes but I am told that the NASCAR folks bring their own "everything" and leave only trash, the college kids cause trouble and also "dine & dash" while the "Bikers" generally act well and tip well. Please don't hate on me as the messenger - just repeating what I've been told.
With that backdrop, the area, and it's inhabitants, need revenue - the Bike Week and Biketoberfest bring that. Keeping things in maintenance and, now, undertaking major repairs takes money. FEMA and insurance only cover so much ... and that no so well. Real estate taxes, government fees and traffic tickets can only do so much and are generally disfavored. Cash Cows like bike rallies bring revenue to the area and while some residents may not appreciate the sound of motorcycles - into the early morning hours, it may be preferred to having infrastructure repairs deferred for extended periods. So, the correlation is money. The area now, more than ever, needs money and the rallies bring that.
That being said, Daytona is a bit of a depressed area. I'm not saying it's a wasteland and no disrespect to those who live there but it, like many areas, has lost the shine of its former glory. It's not exactly the vacation destination hotspot it once thought it was and (prior to this storm) it shows.
I have bee going to the Daytona area for decades and have been told by those is the hospitality industry that they basically get three groups; NASCAR, Spring Breakers and (what they refer to as) Bikers. I have not done a scientific study and am not a professional pollsters - but those who live and work there, admittedly in the hospitality industry, say they prefer the Bikers. It may not be politically correct to use broad brush stereotypes but I am told that the NASCAR folks bring their own "everything" and leave only trash, the college kids cause trouble and also "dine & dash" while the "Bikers" generally act well and tip well. Please don't hate on me as the messenger - just repeating what I've been told.
With that backdrop, the area, and it's inhabitants, need revenue - the Bike Week and Biketoberfest bring that. Keeping things in maintenance and, now, undertaking major repairs takes money. FEMA and insurance only cover so much ... and that no so well. Real estate taxes, government fees and traffic tickets can only do so much and are generally disfavored. Cash Cows like bike rallies bring revenue to the area and while some residents may not appreciate the sound of motorcycles - into the early morning hours, it may be preferred to having infrastructure repairs deferred for extended periods. So, the correlation is money. The area now, more than ever, needs money and the rallies bring that.
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The cost to insure a structure someone builds that close to the ocean must be astronomical.
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The biker many refer to today, is exactly what you described. Generally a good crowd that spends freely, and outside a few bad apples of which every clique has, are a good thing. Its not some Hells Angels or Mongol types that also today, do their thing well away from todays biker events. I doubt a real 1% as theyre referred to as, even reads this forum. Its a majority of us who come here that are todays bikers and we do it for a myriad of reasons but generally we all are good people that bring in what is sought by the places that sponsor rallys.
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I can't work up any sympathy for them. I was born and raised in Florida and people have been warned REPEATEDLY not to build on the coast. They do it anyway and now they're paying the price, and the rest of us are also paying astronomically high property insurance because of these idiots. We may not even be able to GET insurance now.
Another thing they do is prevent other people from accessing the beach. They build their little slice of paradise and the hell with everybody else. I've seen it dozens and dozens of times.
Nope, no sympathy at all. In fact, I like seeing them get their comeuppance.
Another thing they do is prevent other people from accessing the beach. They build their little slice of paradise and the hell with everybody else. I've seen it dozens and dozens of times.
Nope, no sympathy at all. In fact, I like seeing them get their comeuppance.
