Salvaged parts and titles
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Salvaged parts and titles
Hey all I need to make use of the vast store of knowledge on this forum. I purchased a used stock frame 91 FLHTC (parted out) for my motorcycle because the original frame developed rust and had become unsafe. I bought from Pinwall cycle parts in Ohio. They did not give me a salvage title with it only a copy of the title and a bill of sale. The MVA will not touch it neither will the MSP salvage division. I have already switched all the original parts from my 89 FLHTC do any of you know how to go about getting it titled? The frame was not damaged in the accident that totaled the donor bike. And it did not say to be destroyed on the salvage title from Ohio.
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Chris
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Chris
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Out of state title transfers are different than one from instate. And in the last few years, there has been a lof of changes in the out of state title transfer process to coordinate the process between the state agencies to combat theft and salvage title recycling etc. So usually the state where the title is being transferred into will inspect the VIN and verify the history. Not having an actual title is not ideal and is likely a problem. But the bill of sale should help show legal ownership.
Did they say why they (DMV) would not transfer the title you received (and bill of sale as supporting documents) for the frame to you? Invalid title? And was it the people at the local title office in your area that woudn't accept the frame title? Or the state (district) DMV that establishes ownership?
If it's the local, I'd try going directly to the state district office and ask for a meeting to discuss what paperwork you have and to describe how you came about owning the frame and why you are doing this (original frame rusted out etc).
I'm not familiar with Ohio title laws. But one option you might be able to try is using the Bill of Sale and see if you can get either a Bonded title or state DMV assigned numbers for the frame. But in some states, having a different VIN on the frame than is on the engine can be problematic. So be sure to keep any documentation and communications (save email or notes on conversations including the person speaking to and dates) you have with the DMV, including copies of any documents you surrender to the DMV.
There is another possible option, but you really need to know more about the history of this frame if your DMV won't help.
https://law.justia.com/codes/marylan...ection-13-109/
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Did they say why they (DMV) would not transfer the title you received (and bill of sale as supporting documents) for the frame to you? Invalid title? And was it the people at the local title office in your area that woudn't accept the frame title? Or the state (district) DMV that establishes ownership?
If it's the local, I'd try going directly to the state district office and ask for a meeting to discuss what paperwork you have and to describe how you came about owning the frame and why you are doing this (original frame rusted out etc).
I'm not familiar with Ohio title laws. But one option you might be able to try is using the Bill of Sale and see if you can get either a Bonded title or state DMV assigned numbers for the frame. But in some states, having a different VIN on the frame than is on the engine can be problematic. So be sure to keep any documentation and communications (save email or notes on conversations including the person speaking to and dates) you have with the DMV, including copies of any documents you surrender to the DMV.
There is another possible option, but you really need to know more about the history of this frame if your DMV won't help.
https://law.justia.com/codes/marylan...ection-13-109/
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It was Pinwall Cycles that would not give me the actual title. They said it was illegal in Ohio when the bike has been parted out. And the Maryland MVA said I need the actual title, and they are the only game in town. I may have to file a writ of mandamus with the courts.
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I sent a DM.
Again, if this is a salvage non rebuildable frame then it can never be titled again or used on the street. If that is the case, then the neck on the frame likely should have been cut off. You need to be certain about that before moving forward. And even they your options are likely Bonded or a state assigned VIN.
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Again, if this is a salvage non rebuildable frame then it can never be titled again or used on the street. If that is the case, then the neck on the frame likely should have been cut off. You need to be certain about that before moving forward. And even they your options are likely Bonded or a state assigned VIN.
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Contact to your DMV. They are the ones that truely know. If you have the original motor, with your original title, that can be proof y9u didn’t build a bike from stolen parts at a chop shop.
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[QUOTE=eighteight;21506586]Thanks for setting me straight. So, if the DMV said he needs the title, then he needs the title.
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The seller likely put the motor and original title in another frame, that is why he will not provide a title. DMV also likely has seen this game before and does not want to give you a title for a VIN# that is already spoken for in another state.
With a Bill of Sale in NYS you might have a chance to get a Special Construction title, your story works for that designation, IDK about your state. But I would imagine the VIN# on the new to you frame would need to be removed or destroyed.
I know this is late advice, but you should have done the trip to DMV before doing the labor. I hope it works out for you.
With a Bill of Sale in NYS you might have a chance to get a Special Construction title, your story works for that designation, IDK about your state. But I would imagine the VIN# on the new to you frame would need to be removed or destroyed.
I know this is late advice, but you should have done the trip to DMV before doing the labor. I hope it works out for you.
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If someone sold you a frame without a title certificate, you are a sucker, because if they refused to give you a title certificate, they have nothing to sell you.
They shouldn't give you a salvage title certificate for a bike that was parted out and not destroyed, they should have given you the title certificate to the motorcycle from which the frame came.
They shouldn't give you a salvage title certificate for a bike that was parted out and not destroyed, they should have given you the title certificate to the motorcycle from which the frame came.