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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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I guess I'm different. I am guilty of pushing the speed limit and other laws throughout my life.

It's when kids are involved, I feel that castration might be more appropriate than a monetary fine as we would all benefit from certain molds being broken and reproduction not an option.
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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All this self-righteous posturing! I used to work the Buell test rides at my local dealer. I used to hear the same type of discussions onthe 'evils' of sportbikes and all of that 'ilk'. The ignorance and close-mindedness was overwhelming. It was as if these folks have never went over the speed limit, never rolled a stop sign, never parked in a fire lane in front of the store 'for only a minute'. Yesterday, I was riding 75-80 in a 65 zone and was nearly being run over by traffic passing to the left and right of me. At one point I got behind a dump truck tossing debris. As I looked to the left, I saw the traffic was moving at a significantly faster rate. My choice was to ride behind the tuck and continue to get hammered by debris or twist up the wick and jump into the left lane and get around, post haste. Yes, I ended up going 90 before movingback over to let the following traffic go by. Guess I should have gotten a ticket and been hauled to jail as some of these posts would imply. In our PC social enviornment, folks are so quick to finger wag, but rarely at themselves. Heaven forbid their behavior come into question. At least Mike is willing to own his.
Do you really believe that going 90 to get from behind a debris tossing dump truck is the same thing as picking your own speed limit like Dynamike? And who said anything about Jail?

Yes,I make rolling stops, and those other things you mentioned. I go faster than the limit most of the time because it's dangerous not to. But I try to keep to the spirit of what the laws are trying to do, which is to allow a large number of people to coexistand to keep people from killing each other. Dynamike basically said he will drive as fast asHE thinks is safe and I'm saying that's a problem. Should we do as he does and everybody go the speed they feel like? And what about other laws we disagree with? Think about it. PICK A LAW THAT I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW. Imagine what it might mean to you if I stop following it.


 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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Mini-Me, I agree with what you are saying. If I read Mike correctly, the point he was trying to make was speed in and of itself is not the danger, it's what happens when at that speed that is. Clearly when traveling at higher and higher speeds, your window of opportunity to take corrective or evasive action gets unreasonably small. Therein lies the real issue. Mike may be the best driver on the planet. However, those around him are likely to be vehicular morons looking for another traveler to victimize. I know as an officer, you have seen it all. I am just amazed at the stone throwing...
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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I guess chilling out might be a good thing.
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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I posted this in my blog today:[quote]A couple of days ago, I posted a blog about the resolution of my $700 speeding fine in Tifton, GA. Since then a few other forums and sites I belong to have been abuzz with a flurry of controversy. There are basically two groups of people, those that think driving in excess of the posted speed under any condition is unsafe and those like me that think driving at any speed that doesn’t coincide with the circumstances is unsafe.

It’s a pretty heated topic.

Those that think driving in excess of the posted speed limit is unsafe are blaming my attitude and me for senseless traffic deaths. “People that drive like you are the reason we have to scrape bodies off the road and explain to moms why their children are dead,” they say. They spout stuff like “Speed Kills!” and “You have no regard for public safety and the law!”

Statements like that can’t be further from the truth and demonstrate an utter lack of understanding of highway safety and ignorance of the facts.

First, speed in and of itself does not cause accidents. Driving 90 mph on a straight road will never be the isolated cause of crash. Driving in excess of a safe speed can be.

But what is a safe speed?

That depends on a lot of factors, such as:[*]Flow of Traffic – If traffic is moving at 80 mph and you’re driving 55 mph you’re much more of a hazard than the guy who is driving 90 mph. Likewise if traffic is moving at 55 mph and you’re driving 90 mph, you’re more of a hazard than the guy who is driving 50 mph. This is commonly referred to as the 85% rule. Neither of these scenarios takes into account weaving in and of traffic, or reckless driving.[*]Road Conditions – Adverse road conditions should more often than not require that the safe speed be actually less than the posted speed limit. Rain, road construction, a vehicle stopped on the side of the road (especially when you can’t maintain ample room when passing the vehicle), or a road that is generally in poor condition (potholes for example) can all reduce the safe speed to something less than the posted speed limit.[*]Area of Travel – Windy roads generally require a slower speed to maintain safety than a straight road. Roads in residential areas, near playgrounds or schools, or in busy commercial areas generally require a slower speed than a freeway to maintain optimum safety.[*]Vehicle Conditions – In general, a properly maintained late model car or motorcycle can be safely operated at higher speeds than a poorly maintained or older car.[*]Operator Experience and Condition – There are a lot of reasons why NASCAR drivers can drive at nearly 200 mph only inches away from each other. While car and track conditions contribute to why NASCAR drivers can drive like that is because of their experience and condition while driving. An inexperienced driver is not as safe on the freeway as someone who has been driving for a decade. Likewise an elderly person whose reaction times are drastically longer than what is needed to be able to safely avoid a collision shouldn’t drive in conditions where the optimum safe speed is faster than what their increased reaction time requires.[*]Driver Distractions – The less able you are to focus on the task of driving, the slower you should drive to maintain a safe speed. For example if you can’t block out the crying of the infant in the back seat, you probably shouldn’t be driving on the freeway at 70 mph, even if traffic is moving at that speed on a straight road.

I’m sure there are a lot of other factors that dictate a safe speed that I may have omitted. Any c
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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All this self-righteous posturing! I used to work the Buell test rides at my local dealer. I used to hear the same type of discussions onthe 'evils' of sportbikes and all of that 'ilk'. The ignorance and close-mindedness was overwhelming. It was as if these folks have never went over the speed limit, never rolled a stop sign, never parked in a fire lane in front of the store 'for only a minute'. Yesterday, I was riding 75-80 in a 65 zone and was nearly being run over by traffic passing to the left and right of me. At one point I got behind a dump truck tossing debris. As I looked to the left, I saw the traffic was moving at a significantly faster rate. My choice was to ride behind the tuck and continue to get hammered by debris or twist up the wick and jump into the left lane and get around, post haste. Yes, I ended up going 90 before movingback over to let the following traffic go by. Guess I should have gotten a ticket and been hauled to jail as some of these posts would imply. In our PC social enviornment, folks are so quick to finger wag, but rarely at themselves. Heaven forbid their behavior come into question. At least Mike is willing to own his.
Do you really believe that going 90 to get from behind a debris tossing dump truck is the same thing as picking your own speed limit like Dynamike? And who said anything about Jail?

Yes,I make rolling stops, and those other things you mentioned. I go faster than the limit most of the time because it's dangerous not to. But I try to keep to the spirit of what the laws are trying to do, which is to allow a large number of people to coexistand to keep people from killing each other. Dynamike basically said he will drive as fast asHE thinks is safe and I'm saying that's a problem. Should we do as he does and everybody go the speed they feel like? And what about other laws we disagree with? Think about it. PICK A LAW THAT I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW. Imagine what it might mean to you if I stop following it.


I was merely making the point that from an enforcement point, speeding is speeding. There is not adistinction whether it is my situation or Mikes. You are picking a law youdon't like tofollow every time you exceed the speed limit evenif only by amph. Mike's attitude is onethat is an enforcement issue. Everyhabitual speeder, myself included, eventually got priced out of their behavior by the prohibitive insurance premiums we had to pay. Points=$$$$
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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I think Mike answered his own detracters......
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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I have heard of Officer stopping people for speeding and telling them they will give them a seatbelt violation instead.
[sm=confused06.gif]My... how very familiar that sounds.

So they're fishing not just for easy revenue, but grant money besides. Isn't that interesting.

But it was the Town cop issuing the ticket and the Town court enforcing it. Their offices are across the hall from each other. I don't have any delusion that I would have gotten anywhere fighting it.
 
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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madelf....was there in fact some sort of equipment violation on your car at the time you were stopped?
No. There was not.
The charge written on the ticket was entirely fictional.

I was speeding (just a bad day, with too much on my mind, and not paying attention) absolutely, so he had a valid reason to stop me. But there was nothing else I was doing, or issues with the vehicle, that would have been a legitimate charge.
 



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