Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen - OLD POST
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen - OLD POST
I will agree with what you have to say Terry, but the whole situation of getting a SERT or PC III to really perform is based on access to a knowledgeable and dedicated dyno man. Unless of course you get a map that just happens to be perfect for your particular set up. For one that lives in a state that has six HD dealerships and none with a dynamometer it forces you to find and Indy with a dyno, and guess what, there are five here and none are real good. For those that have access to a great dyno man treat them like gold because they are really hard to find. Early next spring the warranty expires on my 06 Wideglide and I will install a 98 or 107 cubic inch kit. So I am going to go ahead and replace my PC III with a Thunder-max with Auto-tune. For me, if it works like it is claimed to, then it will be money well spent. You are right, high performance is costly, and going high performance with reliability is even more costly. But if you want to play, you’ve got to pay.
Arcane
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen
I'll let you guys iron out who is cheap, stupid and whining. (BTW, I can be all at times
)Since this thread is two years old, and Terry gave great advice, i am just adding to it, The DTT TCFI II and the T-Max Autotune are definitely state of the art when it comes to tuners,and they aren't married to the stock ECM. Endless tuning capabilities, wide band O2 sensors and so far, good reliability. Weren't available when this thread was originally written.
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen - OLD POST
ORIGINAL: Arcane
I will agree with what you have to say Terry, but the whole situation of getting a SERT or PC III to really perform is based on access to a knowledgeable and dedicated dyno man. Unless of course you get a map that just happens to be perfect for your particular set up. For one that lives in a state that has six HD dealerships and none with a dynamometer it forces you to find and Indy with a dyno, and guess what, there are five here and none are real good. For those that have access to a great dyno man treat them like gold because they are really hard to find. Early next spring the warranty expires on my 06 Wideglide and I will install a 98 or 107 cubic inch kit. So I am going to go ahead and replace my PC III with a Thunder-max with Auto-tune. For me, if it works like it is claimed to, then it will be money well spent. You are right, high performance is costly, and going high performance with reliability is even more costly. But if you want to play, you’ve got to pay.
Arcane
I will agree with what you have to say Terry, but the whole situation of getting a SERT or PC III to really perform is based on access to a knowledgeable and dedicated dyno man. Unless of course you get a map that just happens to be perfect for your particular set up. For one that lives in a state that has six HD dealerships and none with a dynamometer it forces you to find and Indy with a dyno, and guess what, there are five here and none are real good. For those that have access to a great dyno man treat them like gold because they are really hard to find. Early next spring the warranty expires on my 06 Wideglide and I will install a 98 or 107 cubic inch kit. So I am going to go ahead and replace my PC III with a Thunder-max with Auto-tune. For me, if it works like it is claimed to, then it will be money well spent. You are right, high performance is costly, and going high performance with reliability is even more costly. But if you want to play, you’ve got to pay.
Arcane
I have the TM A/T and couldn't be happier.
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen
ORIGINAL: cardboard
Race tuner list for around 460 and dyno time is 300 or so when I had one. It could change from dealer to dealer.
Race tuner list for around 460 and dyno time is 300 or so when I had one. It could change from dealer to dealer.
RE: Please Listen - OLD POST
OK,
First of all, quit fighting. I don't want to have to lock one of my own posts that is almost 2 years old. Hell, I doubt if I could have found this one even if I remembered it
.
Some one on the last page made a statement that Harley's run fine out of the box. It's just when you start adding pipes and stuff like that that you have to spend a lot of money. Obviously that person doesn't own an 07. You can fry an egg on an 07 that hasn't been properly tuned. Hell, my $23,000 2000 Road Glide barely made 70 hp with the stock EPA crap on it.
First of all, quit fighting. I don't want to have to lock one of my own posts that is almost 2 years old. Hell, I doubt if I could have found this one even if I remembered it
.Some one on the last page made a statement that Harley's run fine out of the box. It's just when you start adding pipes and stuff like that that you have to spend a lot of money. Obviously that person doesn't own an 07. You can fry an egg on an 07 that hasn't been properly tuned. Hell, my $23,000 2000 Road Glide barely made 70 hp with the stock EPA crap on it.
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RE: Please Listen - OLD POST
ORIGINAL: Terry1955
OK,
First of all, quit fighting. I don't want to have to lock one of my own posts that is almost 2 years old. Hell, I doubt if I could have found this one even if I remembered it.
Some one on the last page made a statement that Harley's run fine out of the box. It's just when you start adding pipes and stuff like that that you have to spend a lot of money. Obviously that person doesn't own an 07. You can fry an egg on an 07 that hasn't been properly tuned. Hell, my 23,000 2000 Road Glide barely made 70 hp with the stock EPA crap on it.
OK,
First of all, quit fighting. I don't want to have to lock one of my own posts that is almost 2 years old. Hell, I doubt if I could have found this one even if I remembered it
.Some one on the last page made a statement that Harley's run fine out of the box. It's just when you start adding pipes and stuff like that that you have to spend a lot of money. Obviously that person doesn't own an 07. You can fry an egg on an 07 that hasn't been properly tuned. Hell, my 23,000 2000 Road Glide barely made 70 hp with the stock EPA crap on it.
Since then I've done a 103 indy build and pushing 103 tq in 4th gear.
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen
I use the SERT and think it is a great piece of equipment (though I was pissed when I found out that you had to buy the cabling separate). It is actually much cheaper than most car tuning solutions with similar functionality, and MUCH less expensive than a standalone ECU+O2 sensors. If you want to play, you're going to have to pay, no matter what type or brand of vehicle you are talking about.
That's all fine and good. What I'm most curious about is this 117ci monster mentioned in the initial post. What motor is this, how much does it cost, and where would one go about buying one?
That's all fine and good. What I'm most curious about is this 117ci monster mentioned in the initial post. What motor is this, how much does it cost, and where would one go about buying one?
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen
I missed that part but these folks are offering good numbers. Check them out. I know the S&S 117 Side winder motor is screaming but don't know if it will fit yer bike.
http://www.revperf.com/
http://www.revperf.com/
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RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Listen
Thread, don't mean to change the post but I see you have a forged wheel on the front of yer bike. Did you take a spoke off and are you glad you spend the coins for it. Thanks.