Stop light etiquette #2
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
ORIGINAL: Helix
You people just dont get it. Its so ez to stop someone from pulling into your coveted piece of space that you hold so dearly for the entire 1 min that you occupy it. Position your bike NEAR the center of the lane. Then you see , the guy behind you will know that you are owning that space and he/she will not pull foward and say "Hi- great day aint it " , or " nice bike ", or just a simple Nod .You can avoid it so stop whinning about it.
ORIGINAL: bikergirl40
You know, there seems to be pretty much of an even split between people who think it's ok to pull up or have someone pull beside them (and share the lane) and people who don't like the idea at all.
I can tell you this ... When I am in a lane (whether I am moving or stopped) ... I have control over that lane. If I wanna move right or left or use the whole dam lane ... it's MY space. When stopped at a traffic light ... same thing goes ... not only for my own personal comfort but for safety reasons.STAY AWAY FROM MY SPACE!
There is no reason in the world why anyone is in such a hurry that they can't stop slightly behind much (like you would in a car) and stay in your own space.I just think that is such an aggressive move...not appreciated by some...namely me.You would neverwalk up to talk to somebody (whether you know them well, or they are a total stranger)and put your face only inches away from theirs. We all haveour own personal space(like when weare conversing with someone). If you get within those boundaries, people get uncomfortable and tend to at least try tostep back... Stopped at a light, you don't always have that option.... Thisisalso complicated with added safety issues, sothe road is no acception.
You know, there seems to be pretty much of an even split between people who think it's ok to pull up or have someone pull beside them (and share the lane) and people who don't like the idea at all.
I can tell you this ... When I am in a lane (whether I am moving or stopped) ... I have control over that lane. If I wanna move right or left or use the whole dam lane ... it's MY space. When stopped at a traffic light ... same thing goes ... not only for my own personal comfort but for safety reasons.STAY AWAY FROM MY SPACE!
There is no reason in the world why anyone is in such a hurry that they can't stop slightly behind much (like you would in a car) and stay in your own space.I just think that is such an aggressive move...not appreciated by some...namely me.You would neverwalk up to talk to somebody (whether you know them well, or they are a total stranger)and put your face only inches away from theirs. We all haveour own personal space(like when weare conversing with someone). If you get within those boundaries, people get uncomfortable and tend to at least try tostep back... Stopped at a light, you don't always have that option.... Thisisalso complicated with added safety issues, sothe road is no acception.
Whinning, am I? Pfffttt! Some people.
I'm thinking YOU are the one who isn't "getting it". For the record .... I know perfectly well, what to do to 'avoid' having some arshole try to pull up and crowd me in my lane. I'm not a completemoron!Sheesh!
MY POINT IS >>>> It shouldn't matter where I choose to stop my bike IN MY LANE! Right side, left side, dead center or sprawled across the whole freekin space ... No one elsecan dictate to me where I shoulddecide to stop my bike... IN MY LANE, within my boundary!Width wise, my lane boundariesare anywhere between the center line and the outside edge of the road way. That defines anindividuallane (of course the length of the lane you control would depend on the length of your bike).No one else has any business inside that boundary...for many reasons:
Here's just one:
What happens, if I happen to step on a oily spot and drop my bike ... Into the goomer who insists on pulling right up beside me. Now ... pray tell ... Who is at fault for the gash in his gas tank?????
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
ORIGINAL: bikergirl40
Whinning, am I? Pfffttt! Some people.
I'm thinking YOU are the one who isn't "getting it". For the record .... I know perfectly well, what to do to 'avoid' having some arshole try to pull up and crowd me in my lane. I'm not a completemoron!Sheesh!
MY POINT IS >>>> It shouldn't matter where I choose to stop my bike IN MY LANE! Right side, left side, dead center or sprawled across the whole freekin space ... No one elsecan dictate to me where I shoulddecide to stop my bike... IN MY LANE, within my boundary!Width wise, my lane boundariesare anywhere between the center line and the outside edge of the road way. That defines anindividuallane (of course the length of the lane you control would depend on the length of your bike).No one else has any business inside that boundary...for many reasons:
Here's just one:
What happens, if I happen to step on a oily spot and drop my bike ... Into the goomer who insists on pulling right up beside me. Now ... pray tell ... Who is at fault for the gash in his gas tank?????
ORIGINAL: Helix
You people just dont get it. Its so ez to stop someone from pulling into your coveted piece of space that you hold so dearly for the entire 1 min that you occupy it. Position your bike NEAR the center of the lane. Then you see , the guy behind you will know that you are owning that space and he/she will not pull foward and say "Hi- great day aint it " , or " nice bike ", or just a simple Nod .You can avoid it so stop whinning about it.
ORIGINAL: bikergirl40
You know, there seems to be pretty much of an even split between people who think it's ok to pull up or have someone pull beside them (and share the lane) and people who don't like the idea at all.
I can tell you this ... When I am in a lane (whether I am moving or stopped) ... I have control over that lane. If I wanna move right or left or use the whole dam lane ... it's MY space. When stopped at a traffic light ... same thing goes ... not only for my own personal comfort but for safety reasons.STAY AWAY FROM MY SPACE!
There is no reason in the world why anyone is in such a hurry that they can't stop slightly behind much (like you would in a car) and stay in your own space.I just think that is such an aggressive move...not appreciated by some...namely me.You would neverwalk up to talk to somebody (whether you know them well, or they are a total stranger)and put your face only inches away from theirs. We all haveour own personal space(like when weare conversing with someone). If you get within those boundaries, people get uncomfortable and tend to at least try tostep back... Stopped at a light, you don't always have that option.... Thisisalso complicated with added safety issues, sothe road is no acception.
You know, there seems to be pretty much of an even split between people who think it's ok to pull up or have someone pull beside them (and share the lane) and people who don't like the idea at all.
I can tell you this ... When I am in a lane (whether I am moving or stopped) ... I have control over that lane. If I wanna move right or left or use the whole dam lane ... it's MY space. When stopped at a traffic light ... same thing goes ... not only for my own personal comfort but for safety reasons.STAY AWAY FROM MY SPACE!
There is no reason in the world why anyone is in such a hurry that they can't stop slightly behind much (like you would in a car) and stay in your own space.I just think that is such an aggressive move...not appreciated by some...namely me.You would neverwalk up to talk to somebody (whether you know them well, or they are a total stranger)and put your face only inches away from theirs. We all haveour own personal space(like when weare conversing with someone). If you get within those boundaries, people get uncomfortable and tend to at least try tostep back... Stopped at a light, you don't always have that option.... Thisisalso complicated with added safety issues, sothe road is no acception.
Whinning, am I? Pfffttt! Some people.
I'm thinking YOU are the one who isn't "getting it". For the record .... I know perfectly well, what to do to 'avoid' having some arshole try to pull up and crowd me in my lane. I'm not a completemoron!Sheesh!
MY POINT IS >>>> It shouldn't matter where I choose to stop my bike IN MY LANE! Right side, left side, dead center or sprawled across the whole freekin space ... No one elsecan dictate to me where I shoulddecide to stop my bike... IN MY LANE, within my boundary!Width wise, my lane boundariesare anywhere between the center line and the outside edge of the road way. That defines anindividuallane (of course the length of the lane you control would depend on the length of your bike).No one else has any business inside that boundary...for many reasons:
Here's just one:
What happens, if I happen to step on a oily spot and drop my bike ... Into the goomer who insists on pulling right up beside me. Now ... pray tell ... Who is at fault for the gash in his gas tank?????
The only time I will pull up next to another rider at a stop light is if I am riding w/them (hence, they are a friend or an aquaintance). But that is common amongst folks riding together, it's the only time you get to B.S.... But, if I am riding up behind a rider I do not know, I stay staggered to the other side of the lane. I am not worried about riding ability, etc... But, I think it's a personal space thing. And, that is what BikerG is getting at. Let us say you are in line at a movie theater. And, some stranger just walks up and plops his butt in line shoulder to shoulder w/you. People don't like that. And, it's sort of the same thing here. If you pull up and someeone waves or nods you up, that's different, it's an invitation. Now, I am not going to start a confrontation w/someon
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
Keep in mind that the center of the lane is the portion of the lane that most likely will have debris that can cause things like flat tires. If you spend alot of time in the center of the lane you will end up over the years with more flat tires than I will.
Also, especially at stop signs and lights, the center of the lane is where stopped vehicles have for years been dripping their oil. On extreme hot days this can be treacherous for not only the grip of your tires but also the grip of your boots. One place that I rode that was really treacherous was coming from south of the border into San Yesidro, California. There is continual stopped traffic at that border crossing and it isnothing short of dangerous for motorcycles because of the oil drippings.
Also, especially at stop signs and lights, the center of the lane is where stopped vehicles have for years been dripping their oil. On extreme hot days this can be treacherous for not only the grip of your tires but also the grip of your boots. One place that I rode that was really treacherous was coming from south of the border into San Yesidro, California. There is continual stopped traffic at that border crossing and it isnothing short of dangerous for motorcycles because of the oil drippings.
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
YES ... THAT is exactly what I am trying to say .... You got it! Nothing irritates me more than someone who has the audacity to blatantly show sucharrogant disrespect for me or my 'space' by pushing or in this case 'driving'themselves in. That issuch a slap in the face. For those of you who think, that's ok ... I totally disagree.
What I find even more irritating than that is when I exhibit my dislike for it, and am considered to be whining, orb!tch, or unfriendly or what ever.Pfffttt!
What I find even more irritating than that is when I exhibit my dislike for it, and am considered to be whining, orb!tch, or unfriendly or what ever.Pfffttt!
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
I guess I have a different way of viewing life. Us poor ole country folk here in Texas don'tget too paranoid. I actually enjoy talking to other bikers. When horseback, we stand next to each other side by side and chat too.( Oh but wait... thats a thousand pound wild animal that COULD go berzerk and MIGHT stampede if I do that.)
I have a big glass andit's half full. If anyone here sees me at a light and theres half an empty lane next to me, you have an open invite to pull up and let mepeek at your ride and say "Hi" You'll know it's me cause I'm the one smilin' cause I'm ridin'
I have a big glass andit's half full. If anyone here sees me at a light and theres half an empty lane next to me, you have an open invite to pull up and let mepeek at your ride and say "Hi" You'll know it's me cause I'm the one smilin' cause I'm ridin'
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
ORIGINAL: bikergirl40
Nothing irritates me more than someone who has the audacity to blatantly show sucharrogant disrespect for me or my 'space' by pushing or in this case 'driving'themselves in. That issuch a slap in the face. For those of you who think, that's ok ... I totally disagree.
What I find even more irritating than that is when I exhibit my dislike for it, and am considered to be whining, orb!tch, or unfriendly or what ever.Pfffttt!
Nothing irritates me more than someone who has the audacity to blatantly show sucharrogant disrespect for me or my 'space' by pushing or in this case 'driving'themselves in. That issuch a slap in the face. For those of you who think, that's ok ... I totally disagree.
What I find even more irritating than that is when I exhibit my dislike for it, and am considered to be whining, orb!tch, or unfriendly or what ever.Pfffttt!
First of all, no one is showing you disrespect - they are probably just trying to be friendly. If someone came up 2 inches beside your handlebars, thats one thing but just acknowledging your existence on the planet is another.
Besides, this is supposed to be a brotherhood of bikers. Can't we all get along?And besides, you are bikergirl right? What do you expect some some red blooded male manly no fingerless glove, barbecue eating, JB Welding kind of guy to do - ignore you? [sm=smarty.gif]
Obviously we disagree and have different perspectives and you are certainly entitled to feel invaded but
the next time someone pulls up beside you and says hello consider that they may not have evil [sm=lildevil.gif]or dangerous intentions. And yes, I agree with the others - if I come up beside you stopped at a light I will definitely expect you to take the lead on green......unless you get all intimidated and give me the bird or an attitude, in which case I will consider you just what you said....Pffffffffft [sm=boohoo.gif]Get over yourself.
Someone took a little of your air space at a stop light, they didn't take away your birthday.[sm=proof.gif]
(Just trying to throw a little humor into the situation)
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
The last 3 bikes I pulled up next to were sitting in the breakdown lane (2 HD's and 1 Yamaha) and they didn't seem to mind I was invading their space. And btw, they were back on the road before I left them. Reading some of these posts, maybe I should rethink this "space" thing. Naw, I aint changing. I wave too, damn I'm a puss.
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
ORIGINAL: electaRICK
I pull right up next to em,,,, look over,nod,,, and yell
I lowered my cholesterol today!!!
I pull right up next to em,,,, look over,nod,,, and yell
I lowered my cholesterol today!!!
My bad
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RE: Stop light etiquette #2
ORIGINAL: 97FXSTSB
Lane-sharing is legal here in Cali pal. If you're here and not in the middle, another bike will pull up next to you. That's why we have our little rules, like taking the center if you don't want company.
ORIGINAL: TXSwede
It's pretty much a rule of thumb...If a rider does not want company, you go to the center. On the left or right you're open to lane sharing.
No your'e not! My lane is my lane! No matter where I am IN it!!
It's pretty much a rule of thumb...If a rider does not want company, you go to the center. On the left or right you're open to lane sharing.
No your'e not! My lane is my lane! No matter where I am IN it!!
Same in NY. 2 motorcycles may share a lane.
It's more about the "unwritten" rules.