" Stage 1 " WORTH IT ?
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I would agree with lecomte38.
I think on average a Stage I will increase torque and Hp by 15%.
That has been my experience with the last two Harleys I've owned. It's a relatively cheap modification with big dividens.
I think on average a Stage I will increase torque and Hp by 15%.
That has been my experience with the last two Harleys I've owned. It's a relatively cheap modification with big dividens.
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It is so worth it. Just the sound alone will make you grin from ear to ear. As far as clear performance numbers, not sure, but it is definitely noticeable. I agree with "ord sgt", break it in first, and then do the stage 1. Maybe agree to do it with the sales guy before u make the purchase and get free mapping out of it. That way you can do it yourself and then trailor the bike to them to hook up the free downloads.
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ORIGINAL: ord sgt
Doing it yourself is a load of fun. Did mine one piece at a time. You will feel the difference. I suggest breaking in the bike before doing any mods.
Doing it yourself is a load of fun. Did mine one piece at a time. You will feel the difference. I suggest breaking in the bike before doing any mods.
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Thanksa bunchfor all the great replies, guys. Some mentioned the great sound. However, I`m not for too much of a good thing, so could you tell me more about this sound enhancing ? Like the sound of thestock HDsfrom a few years back or louder, as I`m not into punched out baffles and such. Thanks again !
Roger
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I just bought an '08 105th Heritage Softail. I'm waiting about 6 months to make sure nothings wrong for warranty reasons and then having stage 1 done with Rhinehart 2-1 pipes.
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Definitely worth the money!
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RE: " Stage 1 " WORTH IT ?
YES..... absolutly worth the extra investment.
Save yourself a bundle and either do things yourself, or put yourself in the hands of a good independant shop (a.k.a. an indy). Let the indy guide you through the BS, and look closer here online. There really is a ton of information regarding Stage 1 mods.
Most aftermarket pipes have some sort of baffle option; so if you don't like the sound there are ways to quiet things down without a performance hit.
Replace all your oils with synthetic oils and your bike will get additionally cooler for you. (Stage 1 will cool things off simply by letting the engine run richer).
I did mine as soon as the pipes came in, I didn't see a need to wait for any sort of break-in period.
You're probably looking at about $1,000 for a complete Stage 1. New Pipes, New High-Flow air cleaner set up, and some sort of fuel manager. Some money can be saved by going with slip-ons and skipping the fuel manager, but you'll need an ECM download to accomodate an air/fuel mixture change.
Personally, I would look hard at the Vance & Hines exhaust system offerings (most have baffle options), either Alren Ness Big Sucker (air cleaner setup), or K&N has a good air box set up as well. I kept things simple and went with V&H FuelPak to act as my fuel manager, but if you like messing with a laptop in the garage, a PCIII will give you tons of options to tweak to your hearts content.
Keep us informed.
Save yourself a bundle and either do things yourself, or put yourself in the hands of a good independant shop (a.k.a. an indy). Let the indy guide you through the BS, and look closer here online. There really is a ton of information regarding Stage 1 mods.
Most aftermarket pipes have some sort of baffle option; so if you don't like the sound there are ways to quiet things down without a performance hit.
Replace all your oils with synthetic oils and your bike will get additionally cooler for you. (Stage 1 will cool things off simply by letting the engine run richer).
I did mine as soon as the pipes came in, I didn't see a need to wait for any sort of break-in period.
You're probably looking at about $1,000 for a complete Stage 1. New Pipes, New High-Flow air cleaner set up, and some sort of fuel manager. Some money can be saved by going with slip-ons and skipping the fuel manager, but you'll need an ECM download to accomodate an air/fuel mixture change.
Personally, I would look hard at the Vance & Hines exhaust system offerings (most have baffle options), either Alren Ness Big Sucker (air cleaner setup), or K&N has a good air box set up as well. I kept things simple and went with V&H FuelPak to act as my fuel manager, but if you like messing with a laptop in the garage, a PCIII will give you tons of options to tweak to your hearts content.
Keep us informed.
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RE: " Stage 1 " WORTH IT ?
I have had warranty work done and I have had Stage 1 from the start. I don't want to get into a debate about it.Thats why you should let the dealer install. I would not recommend installing your pipes yourself in the parking lot as was mentioned to save $70.00.