overdoing it
Cruiser
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RE: overdoing it
smitty901 you sound like a great Top!(leading from the front) We had a guy get medical'd out from launching his RoadKing while drunk after leaving the NCO club. He damn near died, and will never be the same. This was just prior to our deployment to Afghanistan in '04. Then when we got from back from OEF a guy did the same thing on his Ultra. He's barely 40 and lives in a Nursing home now. We're going to see him next month after drill. I was at Ft. McCoy in 2006 for OIF Mob and heard all about that incident there too.
At Atterbury, IN were good if we have boots, helmet, and a PT belt around the sissy bar will work. I'll take the extra visibility...
At Atterbury, IN were good if we have boots, helmet, and a PT belt around the sissy bar will work. I'll take the extra visibility...
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: MN
RE: overdoing it
Well Major Frankin, I think I kind of see your point. Making MSF type courses mandatory is a good idea. But the crap you folks have to wear when you ride is overboard. Full gloves and reflective vests haven't done much of anything in 20 years and I doubt they every will. I don't go on the instillations when I'm riding.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 250
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From: Suffolk, VA
RE: overdoing it
I second that. The safety types love taking every opportunity to further restrict our privelidges like riding, etc. A responsible supervisor that actively promotes the BIG NAVY (or ARMY etc) programs is more likely to get obedient following from his troops than a sup. who doesn't follow the rules himself...like the old quote says, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander".
Personally I have no problem with the regs, only wish they would enforce them consistantly. I ride with an ICON Mil-spec vest and have no problem carrying my MSF card...it's just one more .020" of thickness in my wallet.
MM1(SW) Kronberg, USN
USS PONCE LPD-15
Personally I have no problem with the regs, only wish they would enforce them consistantly. I ride with an ICON Mil-spec vest and have no problem carrying my MSF card...it's just one more .020" of thickness in my wallet.
MM1(SW) Kronberg, USN
USS PONCE LPD-15
ORIGINAL: YEFFRO12
smitty901 you sound like a great Top!(leading from the front) We had a guy get medical'd out from launching his RoadKing while drunk after leaving the NCO club. He damn near died, and will never be the same. This was just prior to our deployment to Afghanistan in '04. Then when we got from back from OEF a guy did the same thing on his Ultra. He's barely 40 and lives in a Nursing home now. We're going to see him next month after drill. I was at Ft. McCoy in 2006 for OIF Mob and heard all about that incident there too.
At Atterbury, IN were good if we have boots, helmet, and a PT belt around the sissy bar will work. I'll take the extra visibility...
smitty901 you sound like a great Top!(leading from the front) We had a guy get medical'd out from launching his RoadKing while drunk after leaving the NCO club. He damn near died, and will never be the same. This was just prior to our deployment to Afghanistan in '04. Then when we got from back from OEF a guy did the same thing on his Ultra. He's barely 40 and lives in a Nursing home now. We're going to see him next month after drill. I was at Ft. McCoy in 2006 for OIF Mob and heard all about that incident there too.
At Atterbury, IN were good if we have boots, helmet, and a PT belt around the sissy bar will work. I'll take the extra visibility...
Intermediate
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RE: overdoing it
I am the father of an 18 year old US Army Medic. My son graduated high school at 16, and when he turned 17, immediately joined the Army to serve his country in Iraq. When he finished basic, AIT and then Airborne school, he volunteered the first time for Iraq just after he turned 18 (wasn't able to go until he was 18). After his third time voluteering to go to Iraq failed, he decided to buy a motorcycle. Paid cash for a 2003 Honda Shadow because he didn't want to finance anything. He is a good kid, very responsible (as you might expect from the background I shared), has a good head on his shoulders, and raced Pro on dirtbikes until he joined the Army, so I know he knows how to ride. HOWEVER, as a father, I am thrilled that they watch them like a hawk on motorcycles, as these young solders need time to let their brains catch up to their bodies. We have lost too many in Iraq, and don't need to lose even one more on a motorcycle due to carelessness.
Oh yes, he finally got his wish, and is headed for Iraq in April. His mom is not very happy, but is very proud. When he returns from Iraq, he will have the money to pay cash for his first Harley...like dad.
Oh yes, he finally got his wish, and is headed for Iraq in April. His mom is not very happy, but is very proud. When he returns from Iraq, he will have the money to pay cash for his first Harley...like dad.
Road Captain
Joined: Feb 2008
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From: Florida
RE: overdoing it
What the hell is a cycle safety card?
Please describe what the Army calls a reflective vest.
Do these regs apply to everyone riding on a Military Post?
Is it just the Army or did the Air Force and Navy jump on the band wagon as well?
Please describe what the Army calls a reflective vest.
Do these regs apply to everyone riding on a Military Post?
Is it just the Army or did the Air Force and Navy jump on the band wagon as well?
Road Warrior
Joined: Dec 2007
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From: Olympia. WA
RE: overdoing it
ORIGINAL: smitty901
Sir, the reg say reflective item it does not say vest.( In some places they wear the PT belt)Post Co's have in some places required vest.
If you look these reg have been in place many years and apply on or off post for active duty.And to guards soldier when in duty status including to and from drill.
I to felt as you untillI looked into it.
We lose a lot of soldiers on bikes, most are to metrics, and drinking is a part of it. However if you do some research you will see that areas were the regs have been enforced to the letter.
Soldiers stop getting killed.
After doing my research I bought a brighter vest and made sure my soldier seen me wear it.
I do not know about you butI am darn tired of coming home just to have them killed on the bike.
Last thing I have to say IF WE HAD done our job better kept snuffy off the darn thing when he was drinking, if we had enforced rider traing and slapped the crazy riders around a bit it would have not come to this.
Over regulation is a direct result of thefirst few trys not being enforced.
Fort MCoy 2006 SoldierLic taken away drunk on very hot Metric leaves post showing off killed. In front of his units convoy.Everyone of his NCO's and officer's knew he had no Lic and was drinking.
I do not need to tell you what went on at the commanders call.
They medicaly retired me in Nov. But I can still find the numbers if you would like them.
Good job for one of your NCO's to research and do sometraing on.
PS I took the advance course every year so they saw me do it andI would invite them to ride it with me. What soldier turns down a ride with his 1SG of CO.
Sir, the reg say reflective item it does not say vest.( In some places they wear the PT belt)Post Co's have in some places required vest.
If you look these reg have been in place many years and apply on or off post for active duty.And to guards soldier when in duty status including to and from drill.
I to felt as you untillI looked into it.
We lose a lot of soldiers on bikes, most are to metrics, and drinking is a part of it. However if you do some research you will see that areas were the regs have been enforced to the letter.
Soldiers stop getting killed.
After doing my research I bought a brighter vest and made sure my soldier seen me wear it.
I do not know about you butI am darn tired of coming home just to have them killed on the bike.
Last thing I have to say IF WE HAD done our job better kept snuffy off the darn thing when he was drinking, if we had enforced rider traing and slapped the crazy riders around a bit it would have not come to this.
Over regulation is a direct result of thefirst few trys not being enforced.
Fort MCoy 2006 SoldierLic taken away drunk on very hot Metric leaves post showing off killed. In front of his units convoy.Everyone of his NCO's and officer's knew he had no Lic and was drinking.
I do not need to tell you what went on at the commanders call.
They medicaly retired me in Nov. But I can still find the numbers if you would like them.
Good job for one of your NCO's to research and do sometraing on.
PS I took the advance course every year so they saw me do it andI would invite them to ride it with me. What soldier turns down a ride with his 1SG of CO.
ORIGINAL: Maj Franklin
I'm all about safe riding, but the Army is getting a little crazy. We now not only have to wear a reflective vest while on a military installation, but are forced to carry our cycle safety card whenever we enter and exit a military facility......I'm just venting a little here, but the folks that always show up on the "preliminary loss reports" are generally young soldiers on crotch rockets that have not even taken a safety course.
Common sense should prevail....any thoughts on this?
I'm all about safe riding, but the Army is getting a little crazy. We now not only have to wear a reflective vest while on a military installation, but are forced to carry our cycle safety card whenever we enter and exit a military facility......I'm just venting a little here, but the folks that always show up on the "preliminary loss reports" are generally young soldiers on crotch rockets that have not even taken a safety course.
Common sense should prevail....any thoughts on this?
"Lead by example"... Accept no substitute.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Suffolk, VA
RE: overdoing it
The cycle safety card is in reference to a military approved safety course (normally at a minimum the MSF Basic rider course).
The Navy anyway requires a brightly colored outer upper garment during the day, and a reflective upper outer garment at night.
These regs apply to all personnel riding a motorcycle on base.
Here is a mostly enclusive list of what the military requires
1) over the ankle boots/shoes
2) long pants
3) long sleeves
4) full fingered gloves
5) DOT approved helmet
6) eye protection
7) brightly colored outer upper garment during the day and reflective upper garment at night
8) MSF Basic safety course card
9) Motorcycle endorcement on drivers license
10) proof of registration and insurance on the bike
I think that's all of them, but may have missed something...this is based off the Navy Safety instruction OpNavInst 5100.19g The other branches have very similar requirements, but there may be minor differences.
David
The Navy anyway requires a brightly colored outer upper garment during the day, and a reflective upper outer garment at night.
These regs apply to all personnel riding a motorcycle on base.
Here is a mostly enclusive list of what the military requires
1) over the ankle boots/shoes
2) long pants
3) long sleeves
4) full fingered gloves
5) DOT approved helmet
6) eye protection
7) brightly colored outer upper garment during the day and reflective upper garment at night
8) MSF Basic safety course card
9) Motorcycle endorcement on drivers license
10) proof of registration and insurance on the bike
I think that's all of them, but may have missed something...this is based off the Navy Safety instruction OpNavInst 5100.19g The other branches have very similar requirements, but there may be minor differences.
David
ORIGINAL: SA315B
What the hell is a cycle safety card?
Please describe what the Army calls a reflective vest.
Do these regs apply to everyone riding on a Military Post?
Is it just the Army or did the Air Force and Navy jump on the band wagon as well?
What the hell is a cycle safety card?
Please describe what the Army calls a reflective vest.
Do these regs apply to everyone riding on a Military Post?
Is it just the Army or did the Air Force and Navy jump on the band wagon as well?
Club Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,474
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From: Port Charlotte, Florida
RE: overdoing it
More and more of them have all there gear on and msf trained. So what does this reflective belt do? I think we should watch who is riding the bikes and how they are riding them more than what the have on.
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From: San Diego (Poway), CA
RE: overdoing it
You have to remember one important thing. When in the military, you follow orders (no matter how stupid). Military is not democratic, you don't get to vote for what you want. When the Commanding Officer (key word being commanding) tells one of his junior officer something like "I want all motorcycles to be seen and make sure they have been thru the required safety course." The junior officer (who does not ride) makes a new order/regulation. In the military, you do not argue with the senior man or you will find yourself the most junior man.
Retired USN (21 years) / My father was also retired USN (28 years)
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Retired USN (21 years) / My father was also retired USN (28 years)
When on Federal Property, you give up ALL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.